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G-Shock

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A chilling Internet video confirms what has long been suspected: Al Qaeda terrorists are eager to launch a gun-fueled rampage against Americans - and they know just how to do it.

Spotted on jihadist forums, the video shows American-born Al Qaeda fighter Adam Gadahn almost cheerily urging followers to action:

"America is absolutely awash with easily obtainable firearms. You can go down to a gun show at the local convention center and come away with a fully automatic assault rifle without a background check and most likely without having to show an identification card. So what are you waiting for?"
We don't say this often about Al Qaeda types, but: He's right on the facts.
Gadahn owes thanks to the National Rifle Association, whose political muscle has kept open two indefensible gun-rights loopholes that all but invite terrorists to buy weapons.Unlike those who purchase guns from a dealer, people who buy firearms from private sellers at gun shows don't have to pass a background check.


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The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms says 30% of illegally trafficked weapons are linked to gun shows. In fact, an undercover investigation of private sellers at gun shows found that nearly two-thirds broke the law by selling to people who they thought could not pass a background check.


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Then there's the so-called terror gap, which prevents gun sellers from checking purchasers against terrorism watch lists. More than 1,450 people on terror watch lists tried to buy guns and explosives from February 2004 to December 2010; on 1,321 occasions, 91% of all tries, the FBI was powerless to stop the sale.

You can't stop someone from buying something , if the've done nothing fucking wrong.
Common sense and national security argue powerfully for reform. The NRA and its allies argue reflexively against it.

In November 2008, radical Islamist terrorists killed 164 people and brought Mumbai to its knees with a coordinated rampage on targets including hotels, a cafe, a Jewish community center, a hospital and a movie theater.

To Al Qaeda, it was a moment of triumph. This is what Gadahn has in mind for the U.S. The NYPD is well aware of the threat.

Unless Congress develops the backbone to override the NRA on critical public safety measures, Mumbai could well be a preview of an American and New York horror.

Also that guy is Jewish. How the fuck does that work?
 

b_sinning

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Only people that follow the law are hurt by stricter gun control laws. Also you're putting more power into the governments hands that has increasingly shown us that they don't always have the people's best interest at heart. More laws won't help with any issues just enforce what we currently have properly.
 

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That's not the point.


You can't buy a fucking full auto at a gun show.

They have been restricted since 1934, and banned since 1986. You would have to appy for a Tax Stamp ( which takes months) and they cost from $3k up to $100k

Furthermore in NY you can't even buy " assault weapons" Let alone buy one w/o an ID or a background check at a gun show.
So this jerkoff makes a video and the media calls for MORE LAWS ON GUNS. I think this guy is on the board for the Brady Campaign. I mean how does a Jew from California becaome a Jihad extreeeemeist?
 

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No matter what terrorist do, they'll never come close to killing as many Americans as Americans do.
 

DJBrenton

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you can say that for any country in the world

What, like

No matter what terrorist do, they'll never come close to killing as many Armenians as Americans do.

No matter what terrorist do, they'll never come close to killing as many Botswanans (Botswanese?) as Americans do.

etc

I'm not sure that's totally true.
 
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This type of shit just boosts gun sales cause people want them before they are banned or restricted.
 

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No offense, but saying false without providing any regulation that states otherwise makes this thread just as pointless as the news article itself.

You said 100% wrong. Well not really. You can't buy fully automatic, but you can buy a gun without a background check.
 

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can't regulate private sales.

Also, its not a crime to be on the terrorist watch list... Lot of those dudes are probably innocent, the others they need to put together a case and find proof. So of course you can sell to someone on that list... Innocent until proven guilty anyone? Can't penalize and restrict people arbitrarily.
 

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No offense, but saying false without providing any regulation that states otherwise makes this thread just as pointless as the news article itself.

You said 100% wrong. Well not really. You can't buy fully automatic, but you can buy a gun without a background check.

Only from a private party, a transaction one can legally perform in most states at just about any place (Such as one's own home, a parking lot, etc.), so there is no such thing as a "gun show loophole".

Federally licensed dealers are still required by federal law to run a NICS check, and they do.
 

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No offense, but saying false without providing any regulation that states otherwise makes this thread just as pointless as the news article itself.

You said 100% wrong. Well not really. You can't buy fully automatic, but you can buy a gun without a background check.


Yes really, you can buy a gun w/o a background check from a PRIVATE SELLER. Not "from the gunshow" You can be AT the gunshow and see someone walking around w/a gun and buy it from them. You can't walk up to a table and buy a gun w/o a background check though. So the gunshow has nothing to do with it.
 

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can't regulate private sales.

Also, its not a crime to be on the terrorist watch list... Lot of those dudes are probably innocent, the others they need to put together a case and find proof. So of course you can sell to someone on that list... Innocent until proven guilty anyone? Can't penalize and restrict people arbitrarily.
They do in MA, state law requires what's called an FA-10 form to be filled out by both the seller and purchaser, with license information from both parties, and to be submitted to the state. IIRC there are a limit of 5 private party sales per year or something like that.

Of course MA is the only state I'm aware of that requires some sort of license to own even a rifle or shotgun.
 

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in the private sale situation, what happens if someone buys a gun privately that didn't have a chance in hell of buying one from a dealer? nothing?