Oddly enough, many of the Framers were Atheists. Thomas Jefferson being one of the most outspoken of them.
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Oddly enough, many of the Framers were Atheists. Thomas Jefferson being one of the most outspoken of them.
Much truth in what you say.
I do believe the key point is that they signed on to something greater than government as the foundation of their rights.
That should tell us something.
One may not believe in God; but, it is easier to justify the existence of a God than it is to justify the existence of one's self.
http://www.adherents.com/people/pj/Thomas_Jefferson.html
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Edit: Actually an even better source: http://www.monticello.org/reports/interests/religion.html
Atheist and non-affiliated are not the same thing.
"Framers" btw, is a misnomer, just like "Thanksgiving" and "Columbus discovered america" crap they teach you in grade school. It's the work of quite a few people, mostly the ones you dont hear about Hamilton, Sherman, and Madison. The complete debates: http://rs5.loc.gov/ammem/amlaw/lwed.html
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Some folks are too picky.
I prefer the 'much truth' reply because few people are consistent in their belief throughout their lives.
My quote was from the Declaration of Independence, written by Jefferson, signed by many.
I wasnt commenting on what you said. Having non-consistent beliefs and being an "outspoken atheist" are two very different things. You also didnt say "framers" which refers explicitly to the constitution. Essentially I wasnt replying to you at all.
I know that.
I also know that Jefferson's Unitarian beliefs, later in life, are considered by many to be atheist in nature (that is Rational Unitarianism).
This is not my field of study.
My educational background is in European history.
Mine is philosophy bwahahaha.
Im attempting to watch TV though so I cant give a good contrast of positive atheism, agnostic-atheism, and unitarian delusions.
Alright.
I had two minors: history and philosophy.
Major: speech and theater.
That only goes to show you in the old days you could get a job with a major corporation without a specific academic background.
I am watching House in hdtv.
Haha, I was watching house... People on the computer kept bugging me. The only specific academic background I know will get you a job is engineering. Unfortunately everything I like has almost nothing to do with hard science. Though I'll probably end up taking mechanical engineering just to get a well paying job. They don't pay you to learn Latin or have an encyclopedic knowledge of military history. blah.
You have to fucking say fuck in every fucking sentence?
I almost said frak :o
but still, it's one of the biggest liberal lies out there. right up with "guns are bad" and "schools need more money!"
The cancer bit tonight was somewhat over the top.
I think they are running lean on material.
But after the earlier shows it is easy to see how they couldn't keep that pace.
Beyond that it is The Sopranos, which I pull up on digital.
Good luck on the engineering.
I checked for an "On Topic" designation before posting this:
Mechs aren't necessarily well paid, but good luck anyway. When in doubt though, study what you love and work hard and you'll eventually be happy even if that doesn't mean you make a lot of money.
Mechs aren't necessarily well paid, but good luck anyway. When in doubt though, study what you love and work hard and you'll eventually be happy even if that doesn't mean you make a lot of money.
You're just trying to argue.
Jefferson certainly wasn't a Christian, nor any other religion. Although he never stated his religious affiliation, his lack of an obvious one and reservations about talking about it indicate to me that he was likely an atheist. Ask yourself, if you were an atheist in that time, how would you act if you valued your life, family, and mission?And the word Framers indicates that its more than one person tinklepants.
no they fucking weren't
Well, can we at least agree that they weren't fans?
“Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man” -Thomas Jefferson
"During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the Clergy, ignorance and servility in the laity, in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution." -James Madison
"Lighthouses are more helpful than churches." -Benjamin Franklin
“This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it” -John Adams
"As I understand the Christian religion, it was, and is, a revelation. But how has it happened that millions of fables, tales, legends, have been blended with both Jewish and Christian revelation that have made them the most bloody religion that ever existed?" -John Adams
"I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of the abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved -- the Cross. Consider what calamities that engine of grief has produced!" -John Adams
I'm sure there are many more...
You're confusing atheist with agnostic. You're confusing religion with the idea of a higher power. The put the idea of a supernatural diety right in the fucking declaration. Many of them regularly attended church. They were not atheists. At best some of them were deists but many were very christian.
and at least have the huevos to post the entire quotes
and at least have the huevos to post the entire quotes
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