GAY In before Dave: Gay's in the military, rock on!
- Thread starter Dory Berkowitz-Bukowski
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I would hope you. Because of this policy, qualified soldiers have been let go, compromising the safety and cohesion of our military protecting us thru 2 wars.
Mean Mr. Mustard
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If they finally allow gays in, openly, they should let them have a little rainbow ribbon to wear with their other ribbons.
Or at least let them wear more stylish shoes.
Or at least let them wear more stylish shoes.
Oh how I wish the framers of the constitution had had the foresight to put in "thou shalt not make bills with wholly unrelated bullshit in them in order to kill the shit you don't like".
R. Lee Ermey won't be happy.
which is total hypocrisy because he made money off playing a gay character in saving silverman
What do you mean he could have just asked for a vote? This repeal has to be done in the form of a law drafted and passed through Congress, not a wave of the presidential pen. And there is a de facto moratorium on discharges over this since now it takes a general-grade officer to begin the process and people can no longer be outed by third parties.
The President is the Commander in Chief in terms of orders but laws affecting the military are still the purview of Congress, not the EO. Yeah, he could have pushed harder for the issue but I think he's had other things on his mind. You know full well I'm in total support of this but quite honestly, it's an issue that affects tens of thousands of people. The economy, health care and the strategies in the middle east are a higher priority.
That moratorium is just a redesigned version of the same thing. And it could have been done earlier than 1.5 years AFTER the "fierce LGBT advocate" got into office.
He could have put a full moratorium on it.
http://www.palmcenter.org/press/dad...+Can+Halt+Gay+Discharges+With+Executive+Order
R. Lee Ermey won't be happy.
No he isn't.
http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/2010/03/marine_ermey_031410w/
It was not just a redesigned version, it's prevented others from getting discharged. More importantly, what you're suggesting could have easily galvanized the opposition to push back even harder and prevented progress from being made. They're not morons.
And again, he's had more important shit on his plate.
lol because they assume gays in the military are dumb enough to see this headline and think "YAY I CAN SUCK ALL THE COCK I WANT, SIR!"
Ermey makes some good points. The military isn't suppose to be some happy feely organization where any lazy ass person can succeed. The military typically doesn't give a shit about people's feelings. One purpose of basic training is to weed out the people unable to do exactly what they want/need them to do. One reason women weren't allowed in combat situations for so long was the fear of them not being able to physically do something the male counter parts could do and the fact as a whole they tend to be more empathic to other people's feelings or right to live than men. In certain situations the military wants soldiers to kill without thought or care so the soldier can do it repeatedly without long term damage to the soldiers mind. War is horrific. The strong bond that soldiers form with each other helps them through a lot of stuff. If they feel like another person is gay or they will be judged by other dumbasses as gay they may not form the strong bond they need.
Either way has lots of pros and cons.
Either way has lots of pros and cons.
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I think we often forget how powerful fear is as a tool. Soldiers are suppose to look like scary unfeeling killing machines so people will not try to fight them. It's the peace through fear idea. Jail is suppose to be scary so you are afraid of going there and you follow the rules.
The Cold War is a great example of that philosophy working. It was our fear of what could happen that kept the US and Russia from war many times.
The Cold War is a great example of that philosophy working. It was our fear of what could happen that kept the US and Russia from war many times.
Which are bullshit reasons to begin with. While on average that may be true it shouldn't prevent the female Marine who can outrun and out-shoot most males while carrying heavier packs.
This is not true at all. [/quote] so the soldier can do it repeatedly without long term damage to the soldiers mind.[/quote]And that's not the reason at all. The training received that conditions one to return fire has absolutely zero to do with long term mental damage; it's to ensure mission accomplishment and the survival of the unit. No one gives a fuck about PTSD when the rounds are going downrange.
Same argument used in earlier wars when blacks were integrated into white units. It's no excuse.
Again, no. In the current conflicts it's about far more than just fear. Counter-insurgencies are the graduate level of warfare. The same 1stLt calling in artillery and directing his platoon to storm a defended enemy position may have to talk to tribal elders about building a school just a few hours later.
The enemy is not stupid and the leadership in the military does not think they are.
