freakin' insurance companies!!!

I went in for a chest x-ray recently because my lungs hurt. Turns out I had pneumonia and I got some antibiotics and went on my way. Anyway, the radiologist who looked at my x-rays makes $2,000 a day. He was kind of embarrassed that I just flat out asked him how much money he makes, but he was honest. My Dr. confirmed it too. :fly:

Radiologist that got in at the right time make a sick amount of money, well around here anyways. There was a major need for them about 4 years ago and they were paying out the ying yang for em.
 
I went in for a chest x-ray recently because my lungs hurt. Turns out I had pneumonia and I got some antibiotics and went on my way. Anyway, the radiologist who looked at my x-rays makes $2,000 a day. He was kind of embarrassed that I just flat out asked him how much money he makes, but he was honest. My Dr. confirmed it too. :fly:

holy shit son! :eek:
 
have any of you ever had a hospital stay where you asked for a detailed bill of your stay? i'm going to have a baby in april, and i'm thinking about doing just this. i'm intrigued (and angered) about how prices are different for insurance companies, individuals, blahblah. i would like to see if they are keeping close tabs on how many pillows and ice packs i use, if i have seen a particular doctor/specialist...i'm trying to find out if there are any loopholes i'm missing.
does anyone have any tips regarding how to handle insurances and hospital stays and all that? i did just learn that you always have the right to refuse up-front payment and say "bill my insurance first." the worst that can happen is that the bill is refused by insurance and it comes back to you. i didn't know i had that right.
anyone else with tips?

If you are really worried about costs. I suggest you use a holistic midwife at home.
 
I went in for a chest x-ray recently because my lungs hurt. Turns out I had pneumonia and I got some antibiotics and went on my way. Anyway, the radiologist who looked at my x-rays makes $2,000 a day. He was kind of embarrassed that I just flat out asked him how much money he makes, but he was honest. My Dr. confirmed it too. :fly:

You know thats what Sleeman does, right?
 
holy christ, i'm in the wrong business

If you want to make money in the medical industry you need to work for an insurance company.

Doctors do bill high, and they get paid well, however in my practice an established MD with no claims against him will typically pay 40,000 a year in malpractice insurance... that's just insurance. Then, for each hospital he's staffed on he will pay between $250 - $1500 a year just to be on staff at the hospital, only before that he will need to pay a $500 application fee to get on staff at the hospital, and then another $500 fee on top of staff dues for re-credentialling every 2 years. Once he's on the hospital, he has to pay to belong to the hospital's IPA, Independant Practice Association, in order to get paid from insurance companies.

THEN he will have to negotiate with each insurance company in order to contract for services and become an accepted provider.

Once all this mess happens (and theres more I just didn't think of) then the insurance companies pay about 30% of what is actually billed, the rest is written off if the doctor has already collected whatever copay or co-insurance from the patient.

I was just looking over my 2006 figures this morning, and in 2006, our practice had 46% insurance write off.. which means that if we billed $120, we collect $20 from the patient and then collected $56 from the insurance company and then had to write off $46.

This sounds all good and fine until we do something like Botox injections where WE pay $485 a vile wholesale and only get reimbursed $500 from the insurance company.

Meanwhile, for our practice, an INDIVIDUAL policy runs over $700 a month... a family policy over $2,000.... so speaking from a medical practice standpoint, the insurance companies are taking EVERYONE's money

edit scratch that... we had a 46% COLLECTION rate, including copays and patient coinsurance.
 
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Telephone (just in the room, not used) for my moms last oncology visit was $120 a day. You will get charged for bandages/icepacks/food that you never got. It's just how they roll.
 
I've never had an issue like you guys are talking about. Have a visit, insurance covers their percentage and I cover mine. Thought that's how it always worked.

And as for extra hidden costs, wtf never seen that either.
 
but have you ever asked for a detailed bill? i am going to try to record everything i eat/use/request and then ask for a detailed bill to check actual services. it's more of a curiosity thing. i'm not so much worried about insurance not covering it but a detailed bill is a trainwreck you can't believe you are seeing.
 
If you are really worried about costs. I suggest you use a holistic midwife at home.

Actually if there are no complications during the pregnancy that might not be a bad idea. Several of my friends have had babies at home, delivered by a midwife, and done fine. Of course if the need for an emergency Cesarean comes up you're screwed, so whether it's worth taking that chance or not is up to the individual.
 
but have you ever asked for a detailed bill? i am going to try to record everything i eat/use/request and then ask for a detailed bill to check actual services. it's more of a curiosity thing. i'm not so much worried about insurance not covering it but a detailed bill is a trainwreck you can't believe you are seeing.

Well it depends on how they code for insurance, you can ask the billing department for a HICFA form, which is the actual red form which is supplied to the insurance companies, that's as detailed as a medical bill is going to get because they have to submit each charge separately and with the corresponding ICD9 code.
 
Well it depends on how they code for insurance, you can ask the billing department for a HICFA form, which is the actual red form which is supplied to the insurance companies, that's as detailed as a medical bill is going to get because they have to submit each charge separately and with the corresponding ICD9 code.

that's even better. thanks for the advice! :)
 
If you are really worried about costs. I suggest you use a holistic midwife at home.

i would LOVE to take this approach if i someone could tell me that the baby would be delivered without complications, like nyx pointed out. i just can't take that chance, especially since there were minor complications with spangelet (she ended up in the transition nursery for three hours after birth.) i had to think long and hard about doing it in a hospital, but the chance of something going wrong is just too high for me to take, unfortunately.
 
The hospital will definately charge for every little thing. I often get annoyed at having to use the charge probe for simple things like 4x4 gauze pads, or soap, or even tongue depressors...In my hospital though, each item is labeled with a blue or a white card. Blue is not charged to the patient and white is, the reason everything ahs to be "charged" is an inventory thing.
 
i would LOVE to take this approach if i someone could tell me that the baby would be delivered without complications, like nyx pointed out. i just can't take that chance, especially since there were minor complications with spangelet (she ended up in the transition nursery for three hours after birth.) i had to think long and hard about doing it in a hospital, but the chance of something going wrong is just too high for me to take, unfortunately.

I understand you fears. However you know the old wives tale about how the second child delivers easier then the first. :heart:
 
I was born at home. It wasn't a planned thing, it was just that we lived pretty far from a hospital and my mom was only in labor for an hour, most of which she slept through. By the time she realized what was going on it was time for her to have me. There were a couple of paramedics there and my grandmother as well. Everything went great, and having the paramedics there meant that if there were any complications they could have just thrown us in the ambulance and gotten us to the hospital as fast as possible. My mom says that it was the most amazing experience of her life.