WTF F'ING RAGE!!!!!! @ Faith Healers

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http://www.skeptical-science.com/religion/victims-faith-healing-cult/

Belief in faith healing is fairly common, but for most mainstream believers, prayer is generally an addition to proper medical care, not an alternative. Sadly there are some to do indeed view faith healing as the only viable approach to illness and decline all medical care. One such example of this is a group who call themselves the “Followers of Christ” and are based in Oregon City.

A basic human right is freedom of thought. In essence, folks can believe whatever they wish, so best of luck to them in such endevours. Well OK, perhaps we can ourselves exercise another freedom, freedom of speech, and mock such silly beliefs, however beyond all this is a far deeper concern here – what about their kids?

They don’t get to choose, but instead have this nonsense inflicted upon them, sometimes with dire consequences.

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The latest example of this has come to public attention because of the trial of Timothy and Rebecca Wyland for the medical neglect of their now 18-months-old daugher (pictured here). Because they believed in faith healing as the only means for treating illness their baby daughter was not given proper medical care in time and so she now has permanent developmental damage to her eye and may require surgery. If the authorities had not stepped in and taken her away from the parents, she would have lost the eye. The only reason they stepped in so quickly is because the state has already experienced these kooks in the past, knew how it would play out, so took immediate decisive action – I applaud them for doing so.

Here is an ABC News report that was broadcast about this specific case yesterday …



The Wylands have now been charged with first-degree criminal mistreatment for failing to provide medical care for Alayna. The defense have raised the issue of religious discrimination and also accuse the state of overly aggressive bureaucracy.
The reality is that this cult simply cannot be ignored, here is a quote from a Time article over twelve years ago …

Oregon state medical examiner Larry Lewman stated suspicions about the cemetery’s owners, the 1,200-member Followers of Christ church. Over 10 years, he alleges, the faith-healing congregation’s avoidance of doctors and hospitals may have cost the lives of 25 children, some under excruciating circumstances. A series by the Oregonian newspaper announced that of 78 minors buried in the graveyard over 35 years, 21 “probably would have lived with medical intervention, often as simple as antibiotics.”

After reading the above, are you still tempted to think that the state is being overly aggressive?

Bottom Line: Playing “Belief” as a get-out-of-jail-free card is no longer an option, these folks need to be held accountable. Sure, they can carry on believing whatever bullshit they wish, but they need to come to terms that believing nonsense has consequences, and where the result is seious neglect or death of a minor, then they go to jail … period.
Other states which still permit “faith” as a do-what-you-like clause need to seriously reconsider their approach, because not doing so costs lives.

For further reading you can find a Wikipedia page all about this cult here.
 
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Part of me says, "why is anyone stepping in; let them fuck up their young... darwin will take care of them" and the other part of me gets angry that people are this dumb that they need intervention.
 

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I'm fine with them raising their kids however they want. I'm also fine with them being prosecuted (or persecuted, one of those :D) for actions resulting from their beliefs.
 

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Part of me says, "why is anyone stepping in; let them fuck up their young... darwin will take care of them" and the other part of me gets angry that people are this dumb that they need intervention.

You hate children, and all things in this world that are good, so I have to argue as a parent that no child should be in pain or suffer as a result of neglect or insanity on their birth parents part.
 

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You hate children, and all things in this world that are good, so I have to argue as a parent that no child should be in pain or suffer as a result of neglect or insanity on their birth parents part.

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How dare you. I love good little kittens.
 

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I'm fine with them raising their kids however they want. I'm also fine with them being prosecuted (or persecuted, one of those :D) for actions resulting from their beliefs.

Where does it end tho? That's an ugly area that you're allowing the government to delve into...
 

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Bottom Line: Playing “Belief” as a get-out-of-jail-free card is no longer an option, these folks need to be held accountable. Sure, they can carry on believing whatever bullshit they wish, but they need to come to terms that believing nonsense has consequences, and where the result is seious neglect or death of a minor, then they go to jail … period.

I don't disagree with you that this shouldn't be a get out of jail free option, but then you have to add things like smoking weed for Rastafaria (not sure if that's allowed in the US though) as well.

Regarding faith healing, God can heal, but his means very well could be the doctor who finds something else other doctors didn't see.
 

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I don't disagree with you that this shouldn't be a get out of jail free option, but then you have to add things like smoking weed for Rastafaria (not sure if that's allowed in the US though) as well.

Regarding faith healing, God can heal, but his means very well could be the doctor who finds something else other doctors didn't see.

Christians and non-Christians alike die and are saved every day from cancer. God healing through a doctor isn't faith healing.
 

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"Our god is an awesome god he reigns from heaven above. With wisdom and power, oh our god is an awesome goooooood."

I just sang this to fly; it's been about a decade since I have sung/heard this song.
 
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Regarding faith healing, God can heal, but his means very well could be the doctor who finds something else other doctors didn't see.

funny how he only does that for people in first world countries

waiting for the day he decides to heal the enormous amount of sick and starving kids in africa