Halp Deep Thoughts: Which species had a more profound effect on human evolution

fly said:
You're not to compare the species, but the effects they have had on us!
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A dog does not need civilization, it does not need a roof and relatively secure place to ferment (mainly cause dogs don't ferment until they have stopped being dogs)

Beer needs a variety of things to survive on it's own, but dogs can always go full-wolf (you never go full-wolf).
Also, your thought that beer allows you to carry water on its own doesn't hold a lot of water. Water would have been cleaner, and the human body would have had more ability to withstand microbes and such. (NME will prolly corroborate this, something about dogs and raw feeding)
 
Mr. Asa said:
A dog does not need civilization, it does not need a roof and relatively secure place to ferment (mainly cause dogs don't ferment until they have stopped being dogs)

Beer needs a variety of things to survive on it's own, but dogs can always go full-wolf (you never go full-wolf).
Also, your thought that beer allows you to carry water on its own doesn't hold a lot of water. Water would have been cleaner, and the human body would have had more ability to withstand microbes and such. (NME will prolly corroborate this, something about dogs and raw feeding)
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And nothing you said pertains to the question of which had more of an effect on humans.
 
Mr. Asa said:
By the time there was the possibility of beer, dogs had already helped shape civilization.
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Currently it is thought domestication of our current lineage of dog occurred sometime as early as 15,000 years ago and arguably as late as 8500 years ago.
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Beer is one of the world's oldest prepared beverages, possibly dating back to the early Neolithic or 9500 BC, when cereal was first farmed
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So you may be right in terms of age, however:

Archaeologists speculate that beer was instrumental in the formation of civilisations
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I've read they've found urns in south america that are thought to have been used in beer production dating back 20k years ago.
 
Mr. Asa said:
A dog does not need civilization, it does not need a roof and relatively secure place to ferment (mainly cause dogs don't ferment until they have stopped being dogs)

Beer needs a variety of things to survive on it's own, but dogs can always go full-wolf (you never go full-wolf).
Also, your thought that beer allows you to carry water on its own doesn't hold a lot of water. Water would have been cleaner, and the human body would have had more ability to withstand microbes and such. (NME will prolly corroborate this, something about dogs and raw feeding)
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The question was about the yeast organism itself, not about the product of beer.

Yeast in itself is a pretty important discovery; it's used in an extremely large range of products/processes.

Fun fact: You can brew beer or bake bread with any yeast. The different strains of the yeast are what determines the final flavor profile.
 
CletusJones said:
The question was about the yeast organism itself, not about the product of beer.

Yeast in itself is a pretty important discovery; it's used in an extremely large range of products/processes.

Fun fact: You can brew beer or bake bread with any yeast. The different strains of the yeast are what determines the final flavor profile.
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Agreed, but fly did lead the conversation down the beer-road, he could have specified bread, but he's an alcoholic.
 
Mr. Asa said:
Agreed, but fly did lead the conversation down the beer-road, he could have specified bread, but he's an alcoholic.
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He said a specific strain of yeast. It just happens that it's commonly used in beer production, but the discussion isn't about beer.

Bottom line is that fermented beverages have been made for millennia with many different types of organisms. The loss of Saccharomyces Cerevisiae would be a significant event for sure, but beer has been brewed with Saccharomyces Uvarum (carlsbergensis) for a long time also. In today's world these are now classified together but they have different characteristics. S.cerevisiae is a top fermenting "ale" yeast that's most effective for warmer fermentation whereas S.uvarum is a bottom fermenting "lager" yeast that thrives in especially cold temperatures.

So to answer the question, the dog is the more important of those two specific organisms.

I took several classes in brewing at the siebel institute here in Chicago and have been making my own recipes for a decade. If you want to talk about beer/bread and fermentation I'm game.
 
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