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Gotta look at it as a per capita per population percentage to have the statistical significance align.

There are 686,665 police officers in the US (federal, local, sheriffs, etc).

1004 murders out of 686664 is 146 per 100,000.

The civilian stats we've been talking are violent crime though, not murder.

The US homicide rate per 100,000 is 4.96 in the civilian population.

Cops kill people 36x as often as civilians.


edit: bad data.... my rate of 16.3 per capita was for ALL OF THE AMERICAS, including the entirety of south america, which is the highesti nthe world. The actual rate for the US alone is 4.96 per 100,000.
For this to be complete we'd need the number of those that were unjust.
Homicide is a cause of death. Whether it's murder depends on the events and actions leading up to the homicide.

That probably vary depending on who you ask but all homicides or killings are not murder.
 

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For this to be complete we'd need the number of those that were unjust.
Homicide is a cause of death. Whether it's murder depends on the events and actions leading up to the homicide.

That probably vary depending on who you ask but all homicides or killings are not murder.
I think comparing cop statistics to public statistics is plain silly. Take the people here - the average is probably <10 interactions with a stranger a day. And never where they are trying to detain said stranger. Cop has 50+ a day.
 
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I think comparing cop statistics to public statistics is plain silly. Take the people here - the average is probably <10 interactions with a stranger a day. And never where they are trying to detain said stranger. Cop has 50+ a day.
Also true, and I don't see how one could weight it to make a better comparison. The rest of us don't respond to calls, enforce law, serve warrants, make arrests, etc.
 

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You look at EMTs. They get called to scenes just as bad as cops constantly. I can't remember the last time I heard about an EMT killing someone
No, they only kill themselves at about twice the rate as the rest of the public. And firearms are the #1 choice. Very sad.

BOT. EMTs aren't trying to arrest someone. Nor are they armed on duty(unless illegally). I suppose they could cause someone's death in their care.
 
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^ I'd thought about mentioning that earlier but really didn't want to get into explaining what should be clearly dumb or at least unrelated comparisons like emt's or English bobby's.

bail bondsman or bounty hunter could be another one.
 

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No, they only kill themselves at about twice the rate as the rest of the public. And firearms are the #1 choice. Very sad.

BOT. EMTs aren't trying to arrest someone. Nor are they armed on duty(unless illegally). I suppose they could cause someone's death in their care.
And veterianarians kill themselves at a hugely disproportionate rate. That has nothing to do with this discussion either
 

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And veterianarians kill themselves at a hugely disproportionate rate. That has nothing to do with this discussion either
I wasn't the one that brought EMTs into the convo. My response was mainly snark because yeah, dumb to bring in EMTs.
^ I'd thought about mentioning that earlier but really didn't want to get into explaining what should be clearly dumb or at least unrelated comparisons like emt's or English bobby's.

bail bondsman or bounty hunter could be another one.
People get violent occasionally with process servers but the relationship is totally different. The person knows a process server has no police powers. Getting mad at a process server is like handing a pizza delivery person their ass because the cook put the wrong toppings on.
 
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I wasn't the one that brought EMTs into the convo. My response was mainly snark because yeah, dumb to bring in EMTs.

People get violent occasionally with process servers but the relationship is totally different. The person knows a process server has no police powers. Getting mad at a process server is like handing a pizza delivery person their ass because the cook put the wrong toppings on.
Business lawsuits weren't that bad. They usually knew it was coming. Evictions could be a little more heated sometimes but they knew those were coming too.

Divorces or custodys, man....
"You've been served" and walk away sideways keeping an eye on them. Leave the car running and unlocked, pointed towards the way out. Know where your dead ends and culdesacs are.

If I could catch them at work I'd do it discreetly. They usually appreciated you saving them some embarrassment, and there were witnesses in sight.
 
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Business lawsuits weren't that bad. They usually knew it was coming. Evictions could be a little more heated sometimes but they knew those were coming too.

Divorces or custodys, man....
"You've been served" and walk away sideways keeping an eye on them. Leave the car running and unlocked, pointed towards the way out. Know where your dead ends and culdesacs are.

If I could catch them at work I'd do it discreetly. They usually appreciated you saving them some embarrassment, and there were witnesses in sight.
I had a few of those dudes who went a little psycho. Women would either be sad/cry OR "Halleluyah, about fucking time - hey processes server, you single?!" Best service was some rich fuck, kept getting away. I get to his neighborhood and they are tearing up all the street running new pipes and lines. I had a work van and I had a hard-hat and toolbelt for my home inspection business. Ding-dong - maid answers. "Yes, I need to speak to the man of the house." "Just a minute". She was right, he was served in less than a minute.:happy:
 
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I had a few of those dudes who went a little psycho. Women would either be sad/cry OR "Halleluyah, about fucking time - hey processes server, you single?!" Best service was some rich fuck, kept getting away. I get to his neighborhood and they are tearing up all the street running new pipes and lines. I had a work van and I had a hard-hat and toolbelt for my home inspection business. Ding-dong - maid answers. "Yes, I need to speak to the man of the house." "Just a minute". She was right, he was served in less than a minute.:happy:
That kind of outfit get you all kinda places unmolested. I keep mine to this day for that reason.

Some combination of hardhat, safety vest, work boots, clipboard & radio (nowdays your phone), iron workers/linemans safety harness, toolbelt, sun/safety glasses.

All of it legit work worn, nothing new or prop looking.
 
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That kind of outfit get you all kinda places unmolested. I keep mine to this day for that reason.

Some combination of hardhat, safety vest, work boots, clipboard & radio (nowdays your phone), iron workers/linemans safety harness, toolbelt, sun/safety glasses.

All of it legit work worn, nothing new or prop looking.
I had clipboard and beeper.
 
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That kind of outfit get you all kinda places unmolested. I keep mine to this day for that reason.

Some combination of hardhat, safety vest, work boots, clipboard & radio (nowdays your phone), iron workers/linemans safety harness, toolbelt, sun/safety glasses.

All of it legit work worn, nothing new or prop looking.
I legit have standing orders where I work that if they don't speak English and are wearing timberlands they must sign in with a valid photo ID.
 

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Ah I can't post work vids so...
Business lawsuits weren't that bad. They usually knew it was coming. Evictions could be a little more heated sometimes but they knew those were coming too.

Divorces or custodys, man....
"You've been served" and walk away sideways keeping an eye on them. Leave the car running and unlocked, pointed towards the way out. Know where your dead ends and culdesacs are.

If I could catch them at work I'd do it discreetly. They usually appreciated you saving them some embarrassment, and there were witnesses in sight.
I never got served for my eviction. Bunch of dudes just showed up and started throwing everything in a dumpster.

I knew it was coming but still wasn't cool. My ex had to fish her clothes out of the dumpster. Then I had to go to work.
 
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Ah I can't post work vids so...
I never got served for my eviction. Bunch of dudes just showed up and started throwing everything in a dumpster.

I knew it was coming but still wasn't cool. My ex had to fish her clothes out of the dumpster. Then I had to go to work.
Know your rights.

An eviction is a lawsuit. The nasty letter that says "be out in 3 days or else" is just step one of that process. You don't really have to be out on X day just because they say so.

They have to file suit, have hearings, prove non-payment or whatever else, illegal activity, massive damage, whatever, get a judgement, then the clock starts on when you need to be out. If you're not, they have to again contact the court and have a sheriff come remove you.

Of course they can also intimidate and make your life hell during the process and make you not care and want to run away too.

The procedure varies by state but if you knew your rights and if you knew the process and if you had your paperwork in order and if your local law enforcement and courts did their job (lot of ifs there I know) you could've at least got a civil judgement for the value of your stuff and possibly even a criminal misdemeanor vandalism or theft on them...maybe.

The courts almost always side with the landlord but if you know the process you can stretch it out for 3 weeks or so. Basically take that months income and put it down on another place then bolt last minute.

Of course sometimes it's worth your sanity to just gtfo without dragging it all out.

If you were in tx I could easily tell you how to work it to your greatest advantage from either side, renter or landlord. Been doing this a long time.
 

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Know your rights.

An eviction is a lawsuit. The nasty letter that says "be out in 3 days or else" is just step one of that process. You don't really have to be out on X day just because they say so.

They have to file suit, have hearings, prove non-payment or whatever else, illegal activity, massive damage, whatever, get a judgement, then the clock starts on when you need to be out. If you're not, they have to again contact the court and have a sheriff come remove you.

Of course they can also intimidate and make your life hell during the process and make you not care and want to run away too.

The procedure varies by state but if you knew your rights and if you knew the process and if you had your paperwork in order and if your local law enforcement and courts did their job (lot of ifs there I know) you could've at least got a civil judgement for the value of your stuff and possibly even a criminal misdemeanor vandalism or theft on them...maybe.

The courts almost always side with the landlord but if you know the process you can stretch it out for 3 weeks or so. Basically take that months income and put it down on another place then bolt last minute.

Of course sometimes it's worth your sanity to just gtfo without dragging it all out.

If you were in tx I could easily tell you how to work it to your greatest advantage from either side, renter or landlord. Been doing this a long time.
If we were a team we could've fought it. That was basically the last day I ever saw her. I slept in her granfather's driveway a couple nights but she never came out to say hi.

Here there's supposed to be a sheriff's deputy and they are supposed to put all your stuff on street.

What pisses me off is I'm still getting billed for water and power 9 months later.
 
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