Thread Article: Why Medical Bills Are Killing Us

Dory Berkowitz-Bukowski

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Can people stop pretending 'healthcare is free'. This is not the case, nor has it ever been the case.

Free at the point of access is the point. Aside from that you are paying through taxes for your whole life, just like you would be for insurance if you're lucky enough to have it.
 

Mr. Argumentor

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This isn't the 60's nme, black people have more opportunities than whites to go to college and better themselves. Scholarships are everywhere for the underprivileged. I know many who have taken full advantage of it themselves and have gone from their subculture of single parent homes in the ghetto where they were picked on for studying and getting good grades when all of their peers wanted to party like rappers and planned on dying some heroic gangster death by the time they hit 20. Plenty of white people are apart of this 'ghetto' subculture, and plenty of black people have moved over to the suburban 'white' culture. In the past 20 years it's become really blended.

April is right, most are where they are because they don't want to work, or make bad financial decisions.

I grew up solidly middle class, but most people who went to college (with me anyways) worked part time and were able to live off of it, not comfortably but none of us starved. We all had roommates to split living expenses, were able to afford our vehicles or whatever else we needed, and we were still able to put in 20-25 hours a week working while going to class however many hours a week and spending the rest of the time studying or doing homework. I know I never got my daddy's credit card or any help from my parents, moved out a month after high school and never moved back, also took summer classes so I never got the summer breaks. We all made it not just in the classroom, but outside of it too, and all it took was some hard work and dedication.

And not having kids in our teens.
:lol:
 

Duke

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I just feel this needs to be said again. If people here felt that the government could improve inefficiencies and make healthcare better, not one person would be against it (generally speaking of course). But taking the same shitty, expensive system, layering even more government on top of that, and giving it to people for free - well people don't want that crap.

However, we ALL want healthcare reform. The problem we have is twofold. One, corporations are running this joint and they don't want efficient. Second, there are tons of working, effective models all over the world. But we have this stupid AMERICA FUCK YEAH attitude people that would be disgusted if they found we were modeling our healthcare after another country.

Put those two together and you have the most expensive and least effective healthcare system (per dollar) that the universe has ever seen.

that is all because of white privilege, obviously.
 

JAXvillain

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I just feel this needs to be said again. If people here felt that the government could improve inefficiencies and make healthcare better, not one person would be against it (generally speaking of course). But taking the same shitty, expensive system, layering even more government on top of that, and giving it to people for free - well people don't want that crap.

However, we ALL want healthcare reform. The problem we have is twofold. One, corporations are running this joint and they don't want efficient. Second, there are tons of working, effective models all over the world. But we have this stupid AMERICA FUCK YEAH attitude people that would be disgusted if they found we were modeling our healthcare after another country.

Put those two together and you have the most expensive and least effective healthcare system (per dollar) that the universe has ever seen.

Speak for yourself, sister. And you're vastly over simplifying and purposely putting the most extreme negative slant possible on the situation. You should be ashamed. Just because you were a "boot strapper" doesn't mean that any and all people are capable of that. Any number of of wrong turns could have made your life turn out completely different.
 

Dory Berkowitz-Bukowski

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Speak for yourself, sister. And you're vastly over simplifying and purposely putting the most extreme negative slant possible on the situation. You should be ashamed. Just because you were a "boot strapper" doesn't mean that any and all people are capable of that. Any number of of wrong turns could have made your life turn out completely different.

And the man with immense privilege is the one who accepts it :lol: :)
 

fly

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Speak for yourself, sister. And you're vastly over simplifying and purposely putting the most extreme negative slant possible on the situation. You should be ashamed. Just because you were a "boot strapper" doesn't mean that any and all people are capable of that. Any number of of wrong turns could have made your life turn out completely different.

Oh look another rich kid who thinks that no one could possibly make it to where they are on their own!

And the most extreme negative slant??? We spend the most on healthcare, have the second highest infant mortality rate, and the lowest life expectancy of all developed nations. That's fucking bullshit.
 

Amstel

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you're a whore, but in a good way. Kindof.
Speak for yourself, sister. And you're vastly over simplifying and purposely putting the most extreme negative slant possible on the situation. You should be ashamed. Just because you were a "boot strapper" doesn't mean that any and all people are capable of that. Any number of of wrong turns could have made your life turn out completely different.

we should provide everyone a personal assistant so they don't make wrong turns.

ffs, the reality is a few wrong turns is a great god damned education.

They reason why so many poor people stay poor is because they don't have make 'right turns.' They're spoon fed that the gov't will take care of them because they are not capable themselves. Sadly, due to a much needed voter base, the definition of "people who need government care" continues to grow - And the spoonfeeding continues.
 

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my parents divorced too when i was 13. mom was a worthless POS. still never thought of myself as less than middle class.
 

Duke

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Costa Rica. Costa Fucking Rica, is ranked above the US in health care.

We're #37 in the world rankings for health care...
 

Amstel

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you're a whore, but in a good way. Kindof.
And the most extreme negative slant??? We spend the most on healthcare, have the second highest infant mortality rate, and the lowest life expectancy of all developed nations. That's fucking bullshit.

not to completely get off topic, but the lack of consistency of 'infant mortality' and 'life expectancy' definitions between the countries, and the records that are kept are more the cause of these variances.