Appetite for Violence-Pornography

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Just a few days ago I was in Waterstones (a leading book shop) in Belfast on a whim that I might find something that interests me. I haven't been reading a lot lately, and perhaps that is because with the volume I have to read I have come to wholly not enjoy reading, but I guess I had some time to kill and wanted to see if I could find something I liked.

When leaving the store I noticed an Island in the middle of the shop floor - Islands comprise of a double sided unit full of books. This section was called "Misery", which I found kind of strange. On having a closer look I found to contain books like "A Child Called It" and a squillion ilk, fiction or not.

It got me to thinking. Who actually goes out of their way to buy and read this? Personally, I consider myself to have a rather strong stomach, having watched many a surgery and saw many an infection, but to go out of your way to disgust and titilate yourself gleefully by reading a tale of someone elses torture? Personally, it's a little sickening.

Perhaps it comes down to the fact in this day we have been brought up around an exponential degree of violence - whether it be on the news or in entertainment. While that is not necessarily a bad thing. The public obsession with the Austrain cellar fiasco, almost voyeuristically delighting people as more lurid details came to light. Excuse the pun. Why did we need to know? Being shocked didn't force us to condemn anything, or governments or social services - it simply gave us something to entertain us while shaking our heads in faux disbelief.

Which brings me to this. This week saw the conviction of of two men and the mother of a child who was beaten to death over a period of 17-months. ( http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7708398.stm ). The crime alone was shockingly distasteful, and not something I would purposefully seek to read about. The graphic detail seemed to drive people to dispair, but that wouldn't explain the demand for details of torture and images of the child pre-death that the newspapers have been churning out over the past few days. Can I not imagine a childs injurys without being shown a 3D render? Is a photo of a happy child, whose face was obscured at the beginning of the week, really needed on the front page unblurred accompanied by headlines of torture?

When we fork over squillions of good money to pay for books like A Child Called It it shows our appetite for suffering and torture which is no longer satisfied by fictional TV shows or Novels. It's sometimes hard for me to stomach the increasingly perverse nature of society, and the mentality of those who are entertained by such salacious details of agony. The only people that need this sort of material is a Judge and Jury, otherwise it risks just becoming another entertaining modern Penny Dreadful.

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polo said:
Just a few days ago I was in Waterstones (a leading book shop) in Belfast on a whim that I might find something that interests me. I haven't been reading a lot lately, and perhaps that is because with the volume I have to read I have come to wholly not enjoy reading, but I guess I had some time to kill and wanted to see if I could find something I liked.

When leaving the store I noticed an Island in the middle of the shop floor - Islands comprise of a double sided unit full of books. This section was called "Misery", which I found kind of strange. On having a closer look I found to contain books like "A Child Called It" and a squillion ilk, fiction or not.

It got me to thinking. Who actually goes out of their way to buy and read this? Personally, I consider myself to have a rather strong stomach, having watched many a surgery and saw many an infection, but to go out of your way to disgust and titilate yourself gleefully by reading a tale of someone elses torture? Personally, it's a little sickening.

Perhaps it comes down to the fact in this day we have been brought up around an exponential degree of violence - whether it be on the news or in entertainment. While that is not necessarily a bad thing. The public obsession with the Austrain cellar fiasco, almost voyeuristically delighting people as more lurid details came to light. Excuse the pun. Why did we need to know? Being shocked didn't force us to condemn anything, or governments or social services - it simply gave us something to entertain us while shaking our heads in faux disbelief.

Which brings me to this. This week saw the conviction of of two men and the mother of a child who was beaten to death over a period of 17-months. ( http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7708398.stm ). The crime alone was shockingly distasteful, and not something I would purposefully seek to read about. The graphic detail seemed to drive people to dispair, but that wouldn't explain the demand for details of torture and images of the child pre-death that the newspapers have been churning out over the past few days. Can I not imagine a childs injurys without being shown a 3D render? Is a photo of a happy child, whose face was obscured at the beginning of the week, really needed on the front page unblurred accompanied by headlines of torture?

When we fork over squillions of good money to pay for books like A Child Called It it shows our appetite for suffering and torture which is no longer satisfied by fictional TV shows or Novels. It's sometimes hard for me to stomach the increasingly perverse nature of society, and the mentality of those who are entertained by such salacious details of agony. The only people that need this sort of material is a Judge and Jury, otherwise it risks just becoming another entertaining modern Penny Dreadful.

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I read that for child psychology. It was hard to swallow.
 
without seeing/knowing the bad part of life, we can't truely enjoy the good part.







ok, that's a bunch of crap, this world is simply full of sick twisted fucks.
 
Society has become refined against its will. In reality, its the preachers daughter crying out to be fucked. Somehow society has demanded that we ignore true human nature, which is death and description.

/creek of consciousness
 
I guess it's like rubbernecking at a car accident, you don't want to see it but you feel compelled to look anyway and then you are usually horrified if you do see anything bad. I can't imagine wanting to know the specifics of a serial killer's conquests or the brutal beating of a child. I can't stand seeing torture scenes in movies or reading them in books and I don't like slasher films, but there are certainly many people who are entertained by this or the industry wouldn't be there.
 
i read a child called it. on my own. and it sickened me, saddened me, and disgusted me. but let it be known that i did not read it for a good time. i am not entertained at all by these gruesome stories.

to some, it might be entertainment, though i cannot name a single person i know who has heard stories like these and been gleeful or made one joke about them. if you actually know someone who has been entertained by this, i suggest you report them accordingly, because they are not right in the head. i'll bet this child's mother was enterained by stories before she became one.

i think chikken is right in that it can be a sigh of relief for some, whether justified or not. "oh i hit my child too hard last night, but at least it's not THAT bad." or "oh i didn't spend enough time with my child today, but i'd never DREAM of doing something like THAT." it's a gory measuring stick that makes it incredibly easy to justify your own behavior.

i think eileen is right in that it's a morbid fascination with something that sometimes you simply can't even completely believe happened. it's so incredible that it's unbelievable. but i hope from this can come studies on the mentally fucked for preventative and scientific purposes. lab rats, if you will. i personally think it's unfortunate that jeffrey dahmer didn't have a chance with some shrinks before he was killed. in very rare cases, a bad seed can offer good tips into something no one else can understand. how about those criminals who work for the government and know how to unravel the mind they have (or had?) how about the gang leaders who provide underground information? some lemons can indeed provide lemonade. at least let's take that. you can't prevent every situation that you aren't aware of. but why can't you use these gruesome cases to try to find SOMEthing positive.

i hope to god that these stories, while i agree are explicit and abusive for the sake of a headline and a handful, can serve some purpose. what if they recognize similiar behaviors in their brother? mother? neighbor? what if the child that's in my daughter's second-grade class looks and acts like what's described? what if these stories are a wake-up call to some who decide to take action? that could be another issue in itself, but i digress.

what if it stirs the hesitant foster parent-to-be to step in and come to calling? what if it finalizes the adoptive decision for a couple who've been sitting on the fence? what if a child is pulled from his situation that would have ended up the same in another six months?

i can't help but believe that there's good to be found. maybe that's being naive. maybe that's rose-colored glasses. maybe it's putting faith into a yin yang. maybe that's simply being hopeful. but i don't care to change that.
 
because i am a mother. and i cannot comprehend what happened. and i cannot say that i've come close to relating to her. but i am a mother. and she is a mother. there is a common whatever between mothers. and you can sypathize and relate and nod yes to certain parts of any mother's story. you don't even have to speak the same language if you share a motherbond with someone. you know. you understand.

but then you don't understand. and you can't imagine how a mother can BE this way. mistakes happen. i get it. but these stories...you look for a sense of understanding. but you also FEAR to understand. there could be a mother who fears that she is this way. or has known someone to be this way. or doesn't WANT to become this way.

i personally read this book because i do have a fascination for humankind. and that includes the ones i can't understand. but i strive to. i strive to learn something. human behavior and all that comes with being human fascinates me. and what i'm fascinated with the most is what i am furtherest from understanding.

i am also the most passionate about being a mother. combine the passion and intensity of being a mother with a desire to know as much as possible about humankind -- and the crazy that goes with it... i have a desire to LEARN from others. every situation has a little learning jewel if you look hard enough.
i cried at this book. i cried so hard i sobbed. i sobbed so hard that i had to put the book down because i couldn't stop shaking. and make myself pick it up. more than once. my heart phsically hurt for this boy. and i squeezed my children ten times more than normal because of this book. this book made me so thankful that i was given the children i was given. this book made me relieved that i have the reason, ability, intelligence, grace and control for parenting. mostly. i have been to the point of breaking, and the qualities listed above made me remove myself from the situation so i didn't do something i would regret. i had a friend who called me one time in tears, and she said, "i hit him so HARD." she had crossed the line. one out-of-control "spank" had turned into a slap. just like that. it's so easy to cross the line. mothers understand this. and i've never forgotten it. and i'll never forget that book.
 
someone killed them self on webcam last night. humanity is so awesome.

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I just watched Untraceable last night. It reminded me of this.


Ontopic - - > It talks about how the internet has created monsters and how people get off on this sick shit.

Seriously, spend 5 minutes on 4chan and you see it.
 
The movie 8mm covered the dark side of porn that is just sick to me. I think anything involving a child and either sex or violence is disgusting and I want the people that made it dead. I was like that before I had a kid and I'm even more so now.
 
i am very scared about the future with all the crazy stuff the internet brings. live suicides, you tube hosting baby cockfights (cnn.com) and prime time on cnn thinking they're better to show the clip than youtube is...
i got physically sick this morning from internet shit. and i worry what constant opportunity and exposure is going to do to people mentally and emotionally.
 
Thorn Bird said:
i am very scared about the future with all the crazy stuff the internet brings. live suicides, you tube hosting baby cockfights (cnn.com) and prime time on cnn thinking they're better to show the clip than youtube is...
i got physically sick this morning from internet shit. and i worry what constant opportunity and exposure is going to do to people mentally and emotionally.
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And yet think of all the stupid shit you've posted on this forum and understand that in the future, your kids will be able to Google it and find it.
 
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