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The entire point is WHO THE FUCK ELSE WOULD DO THAT. Most people I know dont even own a screwdriver. Let alone have the wherewithal to figure out what is wrong and what is needed and would have trashed the entire thing for a new frig. This is a fringe case because THIS FORUM IS PEOPLE WHO ARE ALL SAAVY TO THE SAME SHIT.
All of this I can agree with. But this issue isn't a parts problem, its a 'lazy people in a service based society' problem.
 
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Swapping parts isn't necessarily repair.

The entire point is WHO THE FUCK ELSE WOULD DO THAT. Most people I know dont even own a screwdriver. Let alone have the wherewithal to figure out what is wrong and what is needed and would have trashed the entire thing for a new frig. This is a fringe case because THIS FORUM IS PEOPLE WHO ARE ALL SAAVY TO THE SAME SHIT.
I disagree with most of this.
Mainly cause most people would say "the ice machine doesn't work" and just get trays. Next biggest group would call a repairman. Last two groups are probably split between "fix it themselves" and "buy a whole new one."
 

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Again, you have no idea what or why I'm doing something. The ice maker is really a handful of pieces. In my case, more than one had broken. More importantly, it was $60 which is pretty much 'who cares money'. Could I have probably just printed the ice tray for less, yes, but who cares.

And the only reason you're suggesting that it isn't a repair, even though it clearly is, is because you're left dying on some dumb hill.
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I disagree with most of this.
Mainly cause most people would say "the ice machine doesn't work" and just get trays. Next biggest group would call a repairman. Last two groups are probably split between "fix it themselves" and "buy a whole new one."
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I disagree with most of this.
Mainly cause most people would say "the ice machine doesn't work" and just get trays. Next biggest group would call a repairman. Last two groups are probably split between "fix it themselves" and "buy a whole new one."
I need to fix my icemaker, and I'm just going to buy the whole thing, then I'm going to take the broken one out and see if I can't re-engineer it so that it won't break the same way.

Getting down to brass tacks - replacing an icemaker isn't like replacing the AC in a car. It lives in the freezer, so all it is, is an ice tray that rotates the cubes out into a bin, which has a conveyor screw that moves them up to the dispenser chute.

In mine, the place where it fails is the conveyor screw. The plastic gets brittle in the cold, and the joint it rotates in (I won't dignify it by calling it a bearing, because it isn't) fractures and the screw starts to wobble. The wobble breaks the motor off its mounts, and then the whole thing gets fucky fast.

I've repaired it before, and I'll replace it now, and it definitely is a repair, but it's not against the law, or the licensing agreement I apparently agreed to when I bought the fridge with my house, by unlocking the front door to the house for the very first time or some @Domon magical bullshit.
 
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the problem would arise when you engineer a bushing that prevent the brittle part from rotating itself to death, and then provide plans, or sell that bushing to others. Thats when anti-right-to-repair shit will kick your ass in the form of a C&D, which will use some "magical bullshit" as its basis.
 
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the problem would arise when you engineer a bushing that prevent the brittle part from rotating itself to death, and then provide plans, or sell that bushing to others. Thats when anti-right-to-repair shit will kick your ass in the form of a C&D, which will use some "magical bullshit" as its basis.
No, it won't, because nobody is going to sell a goddamned thing, and I don't sell repairs or plans, I just give them away.

Your magical bullshit has just been defeated by my tinfoil underpants.
 

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I need to fix my icemaker, and I'm just going to buy the whole thing, then I'm going to take the broken one out and see if I can't re-engineer it so that it won't break the same way.

Getting down to brass tacks - replacing an icemaker isn't like replacing the AC in a car. It lives in the freezer, so all it is, is an ice tray that rotates the cubes out into a bin, which has a conveyor screw that moves them up to the dispenser chute.

In mine, the place where it fails is the conveyor screw. The plastic gets brittle in the cold, and the joint it rotates in (I won't dignify it by calling it a bearing, because it isn't) fractures and the screw starts to wobble. The wobble breaks the motor off its mounts, and then the whole thing gets fucky fast.

I've repaired it before, and I'll replace it now, and it definitely is a repair, but it's not against the law, or the licensing agreement I apparently agreed to when I bought the fridge with my house, by unlocking the front door to the house for the very first time or some @Domon magical bullshit.
It is like an AC system in a car in that:
It is its own system, self contained but needing the rest of the system in order to function.
It is not necessary to have the rest of the system (the entire car, or the fridge) functioning
It is composed of individual components that can go bad.

An ice maker is not like an AC system in that it makes things cold, but that is not what I was aiming for in that comparison.
 
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It is like an AC system in a car in that:
It is its own system, self contained but needing the rest of the system in order to function.
It is not necessary to have the rest of the system (the entire car, or the fridge) functioning
It is composed of individual components that can go bad.

An ice maker is not like an AC system in that it makes things cold, but that is not what I was aiming for in that comparison.
I assumed you were speaking from a complexity point of view. There's no separate phase change cooling system in play in an ice maker (unless it's a standalone ice maker, not the kind that's a part of a fridge).
 

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I assumed you were speaking from a complexity point of view. There's no separate phase change cooling system in play in an ice maker (unless it's a standalone ice maker, not the kind that's a part of a fridge).
Complexity is a bit of a wash. Couldn't think of something common that fit those three that was in the same realm of amount of parts and what they do.
 

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I mean, if you're all for taking two hours to replace a $10 part instead of taking $60 and 10 minutes to replace it and other things that could break, then you do you. My time is worth more than that.

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I mean, if you're all for taking two hours to replace a $10 part instead of taking $60 and 10 minutes to replace it and other things that could break, then you do you. My time is worth more than that.

;)
Thks is another thing. My dad seemingly never worked holidays or weekends so he was home 3-4 days a week. I work 82 hours a week so it just isnt economical to disassemble my refrigerator.
 

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I don't understand grocery shopping anymore. I don't really look at individual prices, just buying what I normally do, but the total at the register just doesn't make sense.
 
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ZRH

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I don't understand grocery shopping anymore. I don't really look at individual prices, just buying what I normally do, but the total at the register just doesn't make sense.
Either do I. Food pantry, when it's open. Take it to work and they make it into a burrito.