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OzSTEEZ

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Narrowed my next car down to either the Ford Focus ST, or the VW Golf GTI. I'm leaning more towards the Golf, because the Focus only comes in manual, and only little dick men drive manuals. But the Ford Sync 2 system is really good. Ugh.
 

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Are those even comparable?
I know what a GTI is but isn't the Focus just a run-of-mill economy car?

I think the Focus is what a buddy of mine rented once. Seemed pretty roomy inside for being small, kind of like a Mini Cooper does but that's where the comparisons ended.

Spend enough time in it to get used to things and let the new wear off and it was just another economy car.

The GTI at least feels solid and isn't a bore to drive.
 

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Are those even comparable?
I know what a GTI is but isn't the Focus just a run-of-mill economy car?

I think the Focus is what a buddy of mine rented once. Seemed pretty roomy inside for being small, kind of like a Mini Cooper does but that's where the comparisons ended.

Spend enough time in it to get used to things and let the new wear off and it was just another economy car.

The GTI at least feels solid and isn't a bore to drive.
I guess you don't know cars beyond general knowledge. ST is a sports model of the Focus hatchback. Has slightly more hp than the GTI, but a touch less torque.
 

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I guess you don't know cars beyond general knowledge. ST is a sports model of the Focus hatchback. Has slightly more hp than the GTI, but a touch less torque.
But is it more solidly built than the other focuses? Thicker/stronger/more sway bars? Beefier hubs? Real crossbody supports? A real noticeable increase in power and performance?

Or is it a regular model with some extra stripes, logos, ground effects, and a slightly zippier engine the rest of the car can't do much with anyway?
 
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They made a Chevette S at one time too. It was just a Chevette with some extra plastic and different stripes/paint scheme on it.

Same goes for most economy cars that have a "sport" option, then and now.

There's designing a solid, drivers car from the beginning and maybe having different levels or options of that, then there's putting lipstick on a pig in the hopes of selling more pigs.
 

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ST's got hard seats, a hard suspension and makes a racket. Fast as balls but it's definitely got a bad case of "because racecar". And yeah, manual transmission so you'll have to accept that you have a small penis.

GTI is a lot more comfy. And if you're spending any significant time in heavy traffic, you'll appreciate the DSG.

But yeah, go with whatever you're into.
 

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But is it more solidly built than the other focuses? Thicker/stronger/more sway bars? Beefier hubs? Real crossbody supports? A real noticeable increase in power and performance?

Or is it a regular model with some extra stripes, logos, ground effects, and a slightly zippier engine the rest of the car can't do much with anyway?
It's got some better parts, but the main difference is the big increase in power. If you a crazy fast Focus, then they have the RS model for that.
 
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ST's got hard seats, a hard suspension and makes a racket. Fast as balls but it's definitely got a bad case of "because racecar". And yeah, manual transmission so you'll have to accept that you have a small penis.

GTI is a lot more comfy. And if you're spending any significant time in heavy traffic, you'll appreciate the DSG.

But yeah, go with whatever you're into.
Yeah the German car is always going to have a better build quality, however Ford's have always been better than the rest of non German brands in build quality. However I have only known larger Fords.

I like the automatic transmission of the GTI. And it's acceleration will be pretty much the same as the ST. I think the GTI will be a better car. I just wish they had a bigger screen and better infotainment system.
 
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You're talking out of your ass again, man
https://www.caranddriver.com/ford/focus-st
A car magazine article in a car magazine who's sole purpose is to sell advertising to the makers of the very cars they are "reviewing" ain't exactly the best thing to go by. If I was going to be a dick I would say fanzine instead of magazine.

Nevertheless, there's "some" useful info there. "Some".

Not much practical though.

Gee post about hard seats, racecar feel and take on daily use is more informative.

@OzSTEEZ have you driven either of these? Or just shopping specs and reviews?

A short test drive with a salesman in the passengers seat distracting you counts for very little. A short test drive by yourself, a little better. Being able to rent one of each and spend a weekend and 300-400km in each to wear the new off and start noticing the little things is best.


It seems they souped up the Focus into a warp drive go-cart. Doesn't mean it's the better car, but if it's what you like then there it is. Remember you could spend years in this thing.

New cars are like new bras, you really have to at least try them on, and better yet, spend a day or two in them to see if they really fit.
 
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One of my tires clearly has a slow leak’ish when out in the cold. Drops 6 or so psi and doesn’t recover when warm.

Another tire has a screw head stuck in it and I don’t dare pull it out. Should be patchable.

I’ll bring it in next week and have them looked at.

They only have 20% wear. It’d be nice to not have to replace them.
 

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One of my tires clearly has a slow leak’ish when out in the cold. Drops 6 or so psi and doesn’t recover when warm.

Another tire has a screw head stuck in it and I don’t dare pull it out. Should be patchable.

I’ll bring it in next week and have them looked at.

They only have 20% wear. It’d be nice to not have to replace them.
Never once had one of the DIY plug things fail (out of what has to be dozens by now) IF your screw is in the middle 70%-ish of the tire, where it can drive down through the entirety of the steel belt and stay there.

Closer to the edge is just buying time, sometimes not very much time, sometimes causing a bigger problem than the screw was in the first place.

Also it doesn't freeze here.

Take that for what it's worth.
 
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A car magazine article in a car magazine who's sole purpose is to sell advertising to the makers of the very cars they are "reviewing" ain't exactly the best thing to go by. If I was going to be a dick I would say fanzine instead of magazine.

Nevertheless, there's "some" useful info there. "Some".

Not much practical though.

Gee post about hard seats, racecar feel and take on daily use is more informative.

@OzSTEEZ have you driven either of these? Or just shopping specs and reviews?

A short test drive with a salesman in the passengers seat distracting you counts for very little. A short test drive by yourself, a little better. Being able to rent one of each and spend a weekend and 300-400km in each to wear the new off and start noticing the little things is best.


It seems they souped up the Focus into a warp drive go-cart. Doesn't mean it's the better car, but if it's what you like then there it is. Remember you could spend years in this thing.

New cars are like new bras, you really have to at least try them on, and better yet, spend a day or two in them to see if they really fit.
The Focus ST is a hot hatch based on the Focus, just like the GTI is a hot hatch based on the Golf. So, if your "based on a floppy dildo" idea has any merit at all, it's meritorious for both.

They're competitors in the same market, and basically match feature for feature, which is what C&D pointed out.

I've got no use for either of them, personally, so I have no opinion on which is better. I understand that Holden vs. Ford is something of a perennial Australian pissing match, so I'd probably avoid the Focus based on the notion of "I don't want my shit destroyed by some jackass with a grudge".
 
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A car magazine article in a car magazine who's sole purpose is to sell advertising to the makers of the very cars they are "reviewing" ain't exactly the best thing to go by. If I was going to be a dick I would say fanzine instead of magazine.
As opposed to a car magazine who's purpose is to sell ad space to boat and bike manufacturers?
The fuck are you talking about?

Me choosing the first article on the ST (quite literally the first one that popped up) to point out that you are talking out of your ass is somehow negated by the fact that that publication sells ads to car manufacturers? How does that work? Especially since they are selling to the competitors of the ST as well as Ford?

You're talking out of your ass again.