I remember the first time I shot a black powder rifle, my dad had put in a little too much gun powder and it shot a 4ft flame out of the barrel, threw me backwards off my feet, and left me with a hell of a bruised shoulder. If I hadn't had it snug and didn't lean into it it would have broken a bone or two. I still have no desire to try to shoot a muzzle loader from a deer stand. The only way I'd hit the deer is if the gun threw me out of the tree on to one. I need to go see my redneck dad sometime soon. He said he just got a few new guns he wanted to show me. I'm not into deer hunting, bass fishing, or nascar so I'm the black sheep of the family. I like to fish but I have relative that fish before going to work and those nuts have to be at work at 7am.