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Amstel said:
Careful with 99%. What % of lottery winners are financially secure?
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Is a livable wage the lottery?

Yes, some people will blow the whole load at once. So sad. Then it’s on them.

The problem with the current system is, it’s not always on them.

I’m on a fixed income. I have no choice but to have a roommate, and I’m lucky to have one. If he moves on, I’m screwed. I don’t have enough income, period, to cover my rent and utilities, and car insurance. I own a mobile home, flat out. If I try to sell it, my rent will be 1/3 higher anywhere else.

It shouldn’t be that way.
 
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Immigrant said:
i try not to equate “happiness” with wealth,but that’s the new American Dream I guess.

A search for happiness is a lot longer trek when you can’t meet basic needs on a full time income. There was a time when a manufacturing job could manage to feed a small family. Those days are long gone. In his part of the country, if you work a manufacturing job it likely pays slightly better than minimum wage and you’ll need at least 2 roommates who also work full time.
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It'd take a while to find but I read some surveys that basically said money buys happiness up to a point then it can't anymore.

The happiness...I'd call it more contentment and stability, comes from having enough to relieve stress and worry. No waiting for a check to pay a bill. No robbing Peter to pay Paul. You can live decently comfortable, have enough savings you don't freak if you get laid off tomorrow, have something for emergencies, can contribute enough towards retirement to envision it working out, etc.

Today's society that worked out to somewhere in the top half of 5-figure income. Call it 60k-80k/year depending on how many kids or whatever you got going on.

Beyond that, more toys, more extravagance, more dollars didn't buy more happiness. Too far beyond that and it became a hindrance to happiness. More stress. More time requirements. Took time and focus away from things that did bring happiness. Whether that was time to go fishing or spend with kids or pets is a hobby or whatever.

Stereotype on the top end is the business tycoon juggling millions, always tied up in work, stressed, and his wife and kids never see him.
 
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OOD said:
Most people deal drugs cause it's the only option they have to make it. With UBI they get to choose what they do with it and if they fail they can just try again because the UBI will keep them fed. Without UBI they stay in the drug game because it's the only thing they rely on.
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What a wonderfully optimistic outlook you have.
Please don't change.
 
Immigrant said:
I don’t qualify for Medicaid. I make $17 a month too much, but I’m way below the poverty level. I also make $34 a month too much to qualify for SNAP. I can’t work, but if I could, I’d be allowed to earn up to X amount before my SS benefits are reduced. I’ve never bothered to find out what “X” is, because if I could work, I would.

Social Security Disablity is a way for society to say we care but not enough to make sure you’re okay.
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Jesus that is ridiculous
 
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HipHugHer said:
What a wonderfully optimistic outlook you have.
Please don't change.
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It's not really optimism. It's human nature to want better for yourself. People selling drugs think selling drugs = better because it's all they have. (Many of them aren't wrong). There will be people in any scenario who don't want what's best for them. Those people will suffer now and with UBI. The one's suffering now who do want to do better will have the opportunity. I don't think it's optimism to point out that less people would sell drugs if they had more options.
 
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Amstel said:
Careful with 99%. What % of lottery winners are financially secure long term?
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Multimillion dollar lottery winners who are broke in 2 years and people who receive large chunks of inheritance and piss it away in months were going to be part of my earlier post but it was already getting pretty long.

Some people just aren't cut out to handle a lot of money...and they don't.
It's that human nature thing again. And why just giving people money they are most assuredly going to part with in a quick and irresponsible manner will never "solve" poverty.

With time, wisdom, education, some of them will get better at it but some of them just never will.
 
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Immigrant said:
I have to join in on that, sorry. Optics are important, especially in that setting. If I didn’t know who they were and saw them appear on screen suddenly, I’d automatically have a negative feeling.

I know that says more about me than them, but really? They could’ve changed that look. And she could’ve blinked once or twice.
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Maybe this is why America has a problem with voting in retarded politicians. They focus on the wrong shit.
 
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Immigrant said:
Ood dude, I know about the pitch. Go outside today and ask 50 well to do people how they feel about tax rates from 1955 and let them know the top rate was like 90%, and if they’d like to pay that now.

Society today is all about me me me. They just passed tax cuts and are aiming for more. The Dems want it just as bad, even if they say they don’t.

I’m all for UBI but it ain’t gonna happen, not in my lifetime, yours, or our children’s.
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I'd be highly surprised if he actually found anyone who would qualify for the top tax bracket.
 
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OOD said:
It's not really optimism. It's human nature to want better for yourself. People selling drugs think selling drugs = better because it's all they have. (Many of them aren't wrong). There will be people in any scenario who don't want what's best for them. Those people will suffer now and with UBI. The one's suffering now who do want to do better will have the opportunity. I don't think it's optimism to point out that less people would sell drugs if they had more options.
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I only am commenting on the “people sell drugs to make money” part.

That’s not the initial reason people deal drugs. People deal drugs to do drugs. That is the main reason. A dealer that doesn’t use is a unicorn. After money is being made, it becomes the focus, but it isn’t what draws people to dealing.
 
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