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April40
06-19-2007, 10:54 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/06/19/missing.woman.ap/index.html
• Missing pregnant woman was excited about baby, due July 3
• Jessie Davis, 26, was last heard from on Wednesday
• Davis' mother went to check on her and found the child, with house in disarray
• Father has been questioned, but no suspects at this time, police say
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NORTH CANTON, Ohio (AP) -- Jessie Davis was excited about the upcoming birth of her second child, getting baby clothes ready and packing a suitcase for the delivery.
She had decided to name the baby girl Chloe, which means "blooming" in Greek. The 26-year-old was in good spirits when she spoke to her mother Wednesday.
But Davis hasn't been heard from since.
Authorities have no suspects in her disappearance and only a few chilling words from her 2-year-old son, who may have seen what happened to her: "Mommy was crying. Mommy broke the table. Mommy's in the rug." (Watch authorities begin to suspect foul play Video)
The boy, Blake, was found by Davis' mother, Patricia Porter, after she went looking for her daughter because she had not heard from her for a day. Blake, wearing a dirty diaper, was alone in a home with broken furniture, a pool of bleach on the floor and a bed comforter missing.
"My God something's wrong!" Porter said in a 911 call.
Porter told the emergency dispatcher that her daughter "would never, ever" leave the child behind. Davis is due to deliver July 3. (Watch a mother's desperate plea for her daughter's safe return Video)
A weekend search by police and 60 to 70 volunteers found no leads.
The father of Davis' son and unborn girl is Canton police patrolman Bobby Cutts Jr. He is estranged from his wife, with whom he has at least one other child.
Besides the broken furniture and bleach, Davis' home had a mattress in her bedroom partially off the bed and a knocked-over nightstand and lamp, Porter said. Items from Davis' purse were scattered on the kitchen floor.
Her cell phone was missing, investigators said, but her car was still at the home. The sliding patio door was unlocked.
The 30-year-old Cutts was to drop off the boy at Davis' home Thursday, Porter said in her 911 call. He could not be reached for comment Monday at his Canton home, where FBI agents and sheriff's deputies searched Monday night, removing items.
Cutts, who took part Sunday in a search around Davis' home, was placed on paid administrative leave due to the stress of the disappearance, Canton police Chief Dean McKimm told The (Cleveland) Plain Dealer.
Sheriff's deputies also searched Jessie Davis' duplex over the weekend and returned Monday evening with FBI agents.
"You just feel absolutely numb," Porter said. "I see her picture on television and I think, 'Oh my God, what a beautiful girl.' And then it hits you, 'That's my girl."'
Police have advised Porter not to ask the boy questions so that any recollections and information come out naturally.
"Whatever comes, comes," Porter said. "He plays a lot. We're not trying to prod him or anything."
Davis is employed by Allstate Insurance at a call center in nearby Hudson, company spokesman Mike Siemienas said Monday. A co-worker, Dianna Piltz, sent Davis a text message at 8:15 a.m. Thursday that wasn't returned.
"We freak out when she's a couple minutes late. She's pregnant and you always worry about pregnant women," Piltz said.
Neighbors said Davis lived a low-key life, and was often seen pushing a stroller. "Every now and then we'd see her out and about," said Jeff Midkiff, 46. "She would wave, or whatever. She seemed like a very quiet person."
North Canton is south of Cleveland in northeastern Ohio.
In 2000 in nearby Ravenna, a pregnant woman was killed and her baby was cut out by a heavyset woman who claimed she was pregnant and took the victim's baby as her own. She killed herself five days later when police traced cell phone calls and went to confront her.
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Wow I am curious to see what comes of this. Has anyone else followed this story?
b_sinning
06-19-2007, 11:00 AM
Sounds like she's dead but the question is who did it. The husband sounds like a decent bet except I would think the son would say he saw Daddy hitting mom.
April40
06-19-2007, 11:01 AM
Sounds like she's dead but the question is who did it. The husband sounds like a decent bet except I would think the son would say he saw Daddy hitting mom.
That's true. It could have been a hit man tho. omg we need details!
w_a_w
06-19-2007, 11:05 AM
they searched the bf's house yesterday...sounds fishy that he's married to someone else and was on his way to 2 kids by her
they searched the bf's house yesterday...sounds fishy that he's married to someone else and was on his way to 2 kids by her
I'm sure it's fairly common though.
w_a_w
06-19-2007, 11:11 AM
I'm sure it's fairly common though.
I don't think it's that common...what woman would stay married to a guy who kept knocking someone else up??
April40
06-19-2007, 11:32 AM
It is messed up that the 2 year-old had to witness all of this.
animepark13
06-19-2007, 11:34 AM
wow that is awful
b_sinning
06-19-2007, 11:38 AM
The two year old did it because she wouldn't change his diaper.
mikey
06-19-2007, 11:39 AM
My grandparents have been talking about it quite a bit the past couple days, this is 20-30 minutes from where we live.
w_a_w
06-19-2007, 11:40 AM
One that didn't know?
didn't know he was losing an assload of money per month on child support?
b_sinning
06-19-2007, 11:41 AM
mikey go solve the crime Jessica Fletcher style.
didn't know he was losing an assload of money per month on child support?
You would be suprised what people won't let themselves know.
mikey
06-19-2007, 11:53 AM
A few years ago, something similar happened in the same area. Someone wanted a woman's unborn baby. She was kidnapped, the baby cut out when she was almost due and she was killed.
You did it didn't you. I know you wat a kid, but come on. That's why you wet to bed early, ISN'T IT! :shifty:
April40
06-19-2007, 12:05 PM
A few years ago, something similar happened in the same area. Someone wanted a woman's unborn baby. She was kidnapped, the baby cut out when she was almost due and she was killed.
By a fat lady right? Then she kilted herself when the cops were onto her.
mikey
06-19-2007, 12:08 PM
You did it didn't you. I know you wat a kid, but come on. That's why you wet to bed early, ISN'T IT! :shifty:
I'd fear for my life if I came home with a baby that wasn't yours. I don't think you have much to worry about http://www.intarwebnet.com/mdb/smooch.gif
I'd fear for my life if I came home with a baby that wasn't yours. I don't think you have much to worry about http://www.intarwebnet.com/mdb/smooch.gif
you act like you think I would hurt you or something :fly: I'd just make you give it to April and Fly.
sizzlinggrace
06-19-2007, 12:33 PM
I don't think it's that common...what woman would stay married to a guy who kept knocking someone else up??
it's sad to say that i actually know of such a situation.
itburnswhenipee
06-19-2007, 12:47 PM
A few years ago, something similar happened in the same area. Someone wanted a woman's unborn baby. She was kidnapped, the baby cut out when she was almost due and she was killed.
I remember that. It was all over the local news in Cincinnati. I think there was even a second incident in which the pregnant woman managed to escape.
edit:
Oh, and that "Mommy is in the rug" comment is pretty chilling.
SemperFly
06-19-2007, 12:49 PM
Oh, and that "Mommy is in the rug" comment is pretty chilling.
seriously :thrawn:
someone call grissom
seriously :thrawn:
someone call "H"
fixt
SemperFly
06-19-2007, 12:57 PM
fixt
Looks like she's giving birth.........:cool: to MURDER.
http://www.gonemovies.com/WWW/WanadooFilms/Thriller/ShiningMurder.jpg
itburnswhenipee
06-19-2007, 01:06 PM
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If that were Russian you'd pronounce it yahedyahtsm.
let's be glad we don't speak russian then! That's a mouthful :lol:
itburnswhenipee
06-19-2007, 01:12 PM
let's be glad we don't speak russian then! That's a mouthful :lol:
Actually, the Russian word for murder sounds sorta like oobeestvo. I was just trying to pronounce the English characters as if they were Cyrillic.
b_sinning
06-19-2007, 01:14 PM
A few years ago, something similar happened in the same area. Someone wanted a woman's unborn baby. She was kidnapped, the baby cut out when she was almost due and she was killed.
She just wanted some fresh Baby back Ribs.
Thorn Bird
06-19-2007, 01:25 PM
i hope that that poor child is young enough not to remember anything he may have witnessed. what a horrible start to what could be a fucked up life.
bastard needs to be hanged by his ballsac when he's caught.
April40
06-19-2007, 01:47 PM
I'd fear for my life if I came home with a baby that wasn't yours. I don't think you have much to worry about http://www.intarwebnet.com/mdb/smooch.gif
Black babies need homes too!
BeerAd
06-19-2007, 02:05 PM
i hope that that poor child is young enough not to remember anything he may have witnessed. what a horrible start to what could be a fucked up life.
bastard needs to be hanged by his ballsac when he's caught.
Sadly I do not think it matters if he remembers or not. With what this child has ahead of him it will be a miracle if hes not screwed up.
dbzeag
06-19-2007, 02:28 PM
Anyone else join me??
Cheers Ohio!!!! Making the rest of the coutry proud they aren't inOhio!!
mikey
06-19-2007, 02:37 PM
Anyone else join me??
Cheers Ohio!!!! Making the rest of the coutry proud they aren't inOhio!!
At least it's not Ala...um, UTAH! Yes, UTAH.
itburnswhenipee
06-19-2007, 02:46 PM
Anyone else join me??
Cheers Ohio!!!! Making the rest of the coutry proud they aren't inOhio!!
At least it's not LA.
w_a_w
06-19-2007, 02:51 PM
At least it's not LA.
lower alabama?
mikey
06-19-2007, 02:54 PM
:lol::lol::lol:
i'm gonna get chewed out for laughing
:lol::lol::lol:
At least it's not LA.
My sister in law really hates Los Angeles, so she'd probably agree with you.
b_sinning
06-19-2007, 04:54 PM
Black babies need homes too!
I guess I'll go get those black babies out of the dumpster I threw away earlier and shove them into a box and mail them to you.
mikey
06-19-2007, 04:56 PM
By a fat lady right? Then she kilted herself when the cops were onto her.
like i read that whole article before posting :rolleyes:
April40
06-19-2007, 05:12 PM
I guess I'll go get those black babies out of the dumpster I threw away earlier and shove them into a box and mail them to you.
That is a really bad idea. Babies are not allowed on our property.
Jonny_B
06-19-2007, 05:13 PM
If this were a law and order episode she would have been kidnapped by a woman she met two months ago in the park who she told her due date too. this mysterious woman is unable to have children but wants one, and has been shadowing the pregnant woman ever since waiting for the proper time to kidnap her until she gives birth then kill her and keep the baby.
crap. beaten by a page and a half.
b_sinning
06-19-2007, 05:19 PM
If this were a law and order episode she would have been kidnapped by a woman she met two months ago in the park who she told her due date too. this mysterious woman is unable to have children but wants one, and has been shadowing the pregnant woman ever since waiting for the proper time to kidnap her until she gives birth then kill her and keep the baby.
crap. beaten by a page and a half.
I think I'd rather see it as a CSI episode.
Jonny_B
06-19-2007, 05:39 PM
I think I'd rather see it as a CSI episode.
no way. L&O ftw.
b_sinning
06-19-2007, 05:43 PM
Special Victims or Regular?
SemperFly
06-19-2007, 05:45 PM
Law & Order: Petty Crimes Against Municipal Property in Excess of Five Thousand Dollars
Jonny_B
06-19-2007, 07:05 PM
Special Victims or Regular?
regular. don't like svu, don't like ci.
we live in one fucked up world... :(
:lol::lol::lol:
i'm gonna get chewed out for laughing
:lol::lol::lol:
no no go head and laugh it up .. I just won't let you move here. Since it's so sucky .. I mean funny :P
ChikkenNoodul
06-19-2007, 11:14 PM
Oh, and that "Mommy is in the rug" comment is pretty chilling.
I view it more as a child's misinterpretation of what they are hearing.
Like "puhsketty an meatbulbs"
My guess is he meant to say "Mommy is on the rag"
Thorn Bird
06-20-2007, 09:44 AM
http://www.ajc.com/news/content/shared-gen/ap/National/Missing_Woman.html?cxntnid=amn062007e
I view it more as a child's misinterpretation of what they are hearing.
Like "puhsketty an meatbulbs"
My guess is he meant to say "Mommy is on the rag"
I don't think the child heard that did they .. I was under the impression they saw mommy in the rug. Kinda hard to misinterpret your mommy rolled up like a burrito in a rug :lol:.
SemperFly
06-20-2007, 10:06 AM
http://www.ajc.com/news/content/shared-gen/ap/National/Missing_Woman.html?cxntnid=amn062007e
this looks like a job for the hero of canton
the man they call jayne
Sarcasmo
06-20-2007, 12:41 PM
It is messed up that the 2 year-old had to witness all of this.
Messed up is a bit euphemistic I think.
Coqui
06-25-2007, 08:46 AM
In case anyone cares, the body was found in a marsh nearby. Current arrests include the father of the unborn child and the two year old as well as a high school friend of the father (I believe she's being arrested for obstruction of justice)
The arrests occured on Saturday, I don't know when specifically they found the body.
itburnswhenipee
06-25-2007, 08:50 AM
In case anyone cares, the body was found in a marsh nearby. Current arrests include the father of the unborn child and the two year old as well as a high school friend of the father (I believe she's being arrested for obstruction of justice)
The arrests occured on Saturday, I don't know when specifically they found the body.
Wait... is the father of the unborn child the same as the lady's ex-husband / baby-daddy / whatever?
HifiGirly
06-25-2007, 08:50 AM
They haven't actually released where the body was found. I read an article yesterday saying the decomposition was advanced and they were trying to use dental records to get a match. The article also mention "The boy gave investigators their first clues. "Mommy was crying. Mommy broke the table. Mommy's in rug," the boy said.""
more info here http://www.daytondailynews.com/n/content/shared-gen/ap/National/Missing_Woman.html
April40
06-25-2007, 09:21 AM
So anyways... what was the motive?
HifiGirly
06-25-2007, 09:51 AM
So anyways... what was the motive?
The article says that are not releasing any information like that at this time.
April40
06-25-2007, 09:57 AM
I think it is because he doesn't want to pay child support. :lol:
Coqui
06-25-2007, 12:04 PM
Wait... is the father of the unborn child the same as the lady's ex-husband / baby-daddy / whatever?
Yes
Sarcasmo
06-25-2007, 12:39 PM
I think it is because he doesn't want to pay child support. :lol:
If you ever want to know the value of human life to this guy, simply factor the percentage of his additional child support payment into his current salary.
Its bullshit that he's gettin 2 count of murder.
April40
06-25-2007, 12:55 PM
Its bullshit that he's gettin 2 count of murder.
Meh, I think it is fair.
w_a_w
06-25-2007, 12:56 PM
yup, fair imo too...he knew he was taking 2 lives
yup, fair imo too...he knew he was taking 2 lives
He's taking 1 life.
JPatrick
06-25-2007, 01:40 PM
He's taking 1 life.
The child doesnt count?
April40
06-25-2007, 01:43 PM
He's taking 1 life.
Yes and no. The baby can live outside of the mothers body at this point.
April40
06-25-2007, 01:43 PM
The child doesnt count?
You are asking fly this? Come on now... think!
Coqui
06-25-2007, 01:44 PM
He's taking 1 life.
Well in a state that allows abortions, he's being tried for 2 murders.
April40
06-25-2007, 01:47 PM
Well in a state that allows abortions, he's being tried for 2 murders.
Nine months is illegal in all 50 states last I checked.
Coqui
06-25-2007, 01:47 PM
Nine months is illegal in all 50 states last I checked.
Just going through all the motions.
w_a_w
06-25-2007, 02:21 PM
kind of eerie if you think about his last name like an intransitive verb
bobby cutts
ChikkenNoodul
06-25-2007, 02:29 PM
I hear he cuts a mean rug at the Elk's lodge swing dance night
Onnotangu
06-25-2007, 02:36 PM
doesn't ohio have the death pennlaty?
Dharma1521
06-25-2007, 02:51 PM
He's taking 1 life.
I could see your point if the woman wasn't 9 months along.
shawndavid
06-25-2007, 02:55 PM
I could see your point if the woman wasn't 9 months along.
I agree with you. It's not like this was an early term abortion.
Coqui
06-25-2007, 03:30 PM
doesn't ohio have the death pennlaty?
correct
HydroSqueegee
06-25-2007, 03:32 PM
Its bullshit that he's gettin 2 count of murder.
:tard:
The child doesnt count?
No, its not even born yet. With the proper care, both of her legs could survive outside of her body. Does that mean that he should be responsible for 4 murders?
Nine months is illegal in all 50 states last I checked.
There are states that allow 3rd trimester abortions.
JPatrick
06-25-2007, 04:22 PM
No, its not even born yet. With the proper care, both of her legs could survive outside of her body. Does that mean that he should be responsible for 4 murders?
Each of those legs wont grow into individual human beings tho.
w_a_w
06-25-2007, 04:24 PM
No, its not even born yet. With the proper care, both of her legs could survive outside of her body. Does that mean that he should be responsible for 4 murders?
There are states that allow 3rd trimester abortions.
we don't explicitly know his intent at this time but it's a safe bet the unborn kid had something to do with him killing her...she was only 2 weeks from delivery so obviously she had no intent to abort...2 murders
w_a_w
06-25-2007, 04:24 PM
they just set his bond at 5 mill
Sarcasmo
06-25-2007, 04:46 PM
they just set his bond at 5 mill
Per leg, so $20 million total.
SemperFly
06-25-2007, 05:33 PM
why would they arrest the two year old???!
Onnotangu
06-25-2007, 05:41 PM
why would they arrest the two year old???!
no idea.
shawndavid
06-25-2007, 08:21 PM
With the proper care, both of her legs could survive outside of her body.
I love you, but sometimes you're out of your fuckin mind.:fly:
ChikkenNoodul
06-25-2007, 09:58 PM
Each of those legs wont grow into individual human beings tho.
Well not now they won't, they already missed their chance :(
WE CAN GIVE THOSE LEGS A BRAIN!
SemperFly
06-25-2007, 11:41 PM
Each of those legs wont grow into individual human beings tho.
not with that attitude
b_sinning
06-26-2007, 09:53 AM
If the killer knew without a doubt that the woman was pregnant then they should be charged with the unborn child's death.
SemperFly
06-26-2007, 10:20 AM
If the killer knew without a doubt that the woman was pregnant then they should be charged with the unborn child's death.
even if the mother was only a week pregnant?
edit: I know in this case she wasn't, I'm just saying in general :o
even if the mother was only a week pregnant?
edit: I know in this case she wasn't, I'm just saying in general :o
Yes.
itburnswhenipee
06-26-2007, 11:12 AM
Yes.
I believe that a court of law would argue otherwise as the embryo is not even remotely viable at just one week.
I believe that a court of law would argue otherwise as the embryo is not even remotely viable at just one week.
If you want to get technical, there isn't even an embryo at one week pregnant, that happens between week 2-3. But in my opinion, abortion at any age is killing.
itburnswhenipee
06-26-2007, 11:22 AM
If you want to get technical, there isn't even an embryo at one week pregnant, that happens between week 2-3. But in my opinion, abortion at any age is killing.
Killing, yes. The important question is what is being killed, because it's certainly not a human being at that point.
April40
06-26-2007, 11:36 AM
Killing, yes. The important question is what is being killed, because it's certainly not a human being at that point.
Nope, its a bunch of cells that may turn into one. OMG FLY JUST KILLED SOME CELLS ON MY FACE
itburnswhenipee
06-26-2007, 11:44 AM
I heard an interview with a priest once in which he was asked when he thought human life began. His answer was interesting. Apparently before a certain point in pregnancy you can take the embryo (or whatever it's called at that point) and pull it apart, chop it up, etc, and not actually destroy it. You just end up with more embryos. His theory was that human life began once the embryo could no longer take such rough treatment-- presumably because a soul had taken root at that point.
I don't know that I buy that, but he at least did some research and think it through in a way which was consistent with his belief as opposed to a knee-jerk response.
Nope, its a bunch of cells that may turn into one. OMG FLY JUST KILLED SOME CELLS ON MY FACE
But that stuff could develop into a human being!
Killing, yes. The important question is what is being killed, because it's certainly not a human being at that point.
Since they can't prove anything, that is all left to a matter of personal opinion. I don't believe in abortion at any stage unless the mother's life is in danger.
Since they can't prove anything, that is all left to a matter of personal opinion. I don't believe in abortion at any stage unless the mother's life is in danger.
But with all due respect, do you think your opinion should be imposed on others?
To be honest, I'm fine with them overturning Roe v. Wade, because it SHOULD be a state issue anyway. I'm not okay with a federal ban tho either...
w_a_w
06-26-2007, 12:01 PM
if the mother had intended to abort the baby then there is no question in my mind that it would only be one life taken...if she intended to have the baby, the intent is what solidifies it being two lives...if she hadn't been killed, that baby would have been born as she intended so there were in fact 2 lives taken
April40
06-26-2007, 12:11 PM
But that stuff could develop into a human being!
Please god no.
But with all due respect, do you think your opinion should be imposed on others?
To be honest, I'm fine with them overturning Roe v. Wade, because it SHOULD be a state issue anyway. I'm not okay with a federal ban tho either...
I was simply answering the question as to how I thought. If someone else wants to get an abortion, that is their choice, but I sure hope they think long and hard about it first, cause it isn't something you can ever take back or redo later in life. (And no, in this situation, I'm not pro choice. I which abortion was illegal in all 50 states except in the cases of medical necessity.)
April40
06-26-2007, 12:38 PM
I was simply answering the question as to how I thought. If someone else wants to get an abortion, that is their choice, but I sure hope they think long and hard about it first, cause it isn't something you can ever take back or redo later in life. (And no, in this situation, I'm not pro choice. I which abortion was illegal in all 50 states except in the cases of medical necessity.)
Abortion is frankly a necessity if we want to keep our crime rate down.
SemperFly
06-26-2007, 12:41 PM
But with all due respect, do you think your opinion should be imposed on others?
To be honest, I'm fine with them overturning Roe v. Wade, because it SHOULD be a state issue anyway. I'm not okay with a federal ban tho either...
my favorite part is that people fight about Roe v Wade without really know what it says :fly: it's a hell of a lot more about doctor's rights than women's rights :lol:
but I do agree, fuck uncle sam.
Thorn Bird
06-26-2007, 12:52 PM
Its bullshit that he's gettin 2 count of murder.
you giggled as you typed this, didn't you? SHIT-STARTER!! SHIT-STARTER!!!
Coqui
06-26-2007, 02:09 PM
Killing, yes. The important question is what is being killed, because it's certainly not a human being at that point.
At what point does it become a human being?
ChikkenNoodul
06-26-2007, 02:15 PM
When it firmly denounces the Green Party.
April40
06-26-2007, 02:22 PM
At what point does it become a human being?
Human Being: any living or extinct member of the family Hominidae characterized by superior intelligence, articulate speech, and erect carriage
ChikkenNoodul
06-26-2007, 02:24 PM
So they have to ride on a Segway? :wtf:
Coqui
06-26-2007, 02:26 PM
Human Being: any living or extinct member of the family Hominidae characterized by superior intelligence, articulate speech, and erect carriage
So killing a 1 year old is not murdering a human?
SemperFly
06-26-2007, 02:30 PM
Human Being: any living or extinct member of the family Hominidae characterized by superior intelligence, articulate speech, and erect carriage
lol erect
itburnswhenipee
06-26-2007, 02:31 PM
At what point does it become a human being?
Good question, but the answer will involve a metaphysical debate. I don't know if I've got it in me to do that right now.
According to the priest I mentioned a few posts up human life begins at the moment the embryo would be destroyed by having a piece of it removed on account of his belief that this is when it has a soul.
That argument looses strength if you don't believe in souls.
At this point, one must try to define what makes humans human. This is like trying to push a rope up a hill.
Alternately, you can take Kiwi's approach and declare any fertilized human egg as a human being-- which makes me wonder how she feels about fertility clinics and the dozens of thousands of fertilized eggs currently languishing in freezers.
SemperFly
06-26-2007, 02:32 PM
So they have to ride on a Segway? :wtf:
yknow what, I fucking hate the very concept of that thing. the inventor is a fucking moron for thinking walking is an outdated concept :rolleyes: :tard:
SemperFly
06-26-2007, 02:33 PM
Good question, but the answer will involve a metaphysical debate. I don't know if I've got it in me to do that right now.
According to the priest I mentioned a few posts up human life begins at the moment the embryo would be destroyed by having a piece of it removed on account of his belief that this is when it has a soul.
That argument looses strength if you don't believe in souls.
At this point, one must try to define what makes humans human. This is like trying to push a rope up a hill.
Alternately, you can take Kiwi's approach and declare any fertilized human egg as a human being-- which makes me wonder how she feels about fertility clinics and the dozens of thousands of fertilized eggs currently languishing in freezers.
what about the fact that many eggs get fertilized but never attach themselves to the uteran wall and are then washed out when aunt flo comes into town? :fly: basically any woman that's had sex shortly before her period is a serial killer
ChikkenNoodul
06-26-2007, 02:34 PM
yknow what, I fucking hate the very concept of that thing. the inventor is a fucking moron for thinking walking is an outdated concept :rolleyes: :tard:
I agree with you 100%
I was laughing at the statement 'erect carriage' and that was the first thing I thought of :fly:
Coqui
06-26-2007, 02:37 PM
Good question, but the answer will involve a metaphysical debate. I don't know if I've got it in me to do that right now.
According to the priest I mentioned a few posts up human life begins at the moment the embryo would be destroyed by having a piece of it removed on account of his belief that this is when it has a soul.
That argument looses strength if you don't believe in souls.
At this point, one must try to define what makes humans human. This is like trying to push a rope up a hill.
Alternately, you can take Kiwi's approach and declare any fertilized human egg as a human being-- which makes me wonder how she feels about fertility clinics and the dozens of thousands of fertilized eggs currently languishing in freezers.
I guess my question is for those who donb't believe this should be a double murder and for those that believe abortion is ok. At what point is it a human? At what point can the courts decide that the death of the child is actually murder?
itburnswhenipee
06-26-2007, 02:39 PM
I guess my question is for those who donb't believe this should be a double murder and for those that believe abortion is ok. At what point is it a human? At what point can the courts decide that the death of the child is actually murder?
If I had to guess-- which I have to, since I'm not bothering to do any research on this-- I'd say they draw the line on whether or not the fetus could live, unaided, outside the uterus.
SemperFly
06-26-2007, 02:39 PM
I agree with you 100%
I was laughing at the statement 'erect carriage' and that was the first thing I thought of :fly:
I know, I just hate the segway with a passion :lol: so fucking overhyped, I kept hearing about this new device called ginger that was going to CHANGE THE FRAKING WORLD
such a letdown. I will never forgive society for that crap
w_a_w
06-26-2007, 02:39 PM
yknow what, I fucking hate the very concept of that thing. the inventor is a fucking moron for thinking walking is an outdated concept :rolleyes: :tard:
walking is for suckers...I'm going to have my legs removed and grown into 2 new people
April40
06-26-2007, 02:41 PM
So killing a 1 year old is not murdering a human?
That is the definition that Princeton provided.
SemperFly
06-26-2007, 02:45 PM
That is the definition that Princeton provided.
that explains it
liberals
Coqui
06-26-2007, 02:46 PM
If I had to guess-- which I have to, since I'm not bothering to do any research on this-- I'd say they draw the line on whether or not the fetus could live, unaided, outside the uterus.
So by that definition a baby born prematurely or a baby through difficult birth can be killed without murder charges?
what about water births where the baby still is not breathing regularly?
This isn't meant to argue with you necessarily, just disputing certain things about it.
itburnswhenipee
06-26-2007, 02:48 PM
So by that definition a baby born prematurely or a baby through difficult birth can be killed without murder charges?
Ah, but this one wasn't killed before birth making the distinction meaningless.
what about water births where the baby still is not breathing regularly?
There's that birth word again. Irrelevant.
BeerAd
06-26-2007, 03:03 PM
Obviously he should get tried with 2 murders for one simple reason...
If he cut open her belly he would pull out a living breathing child. She was only 2 weeks away people!
I guess my question is for those who donb't believe this should be a double murder and for those that believe abortion is ok. At what point is it a human? At what point can the courts decide that the death of the child is actually murder?
I find late-term abortions repulsive, but would prefer others to have the option to make their own decisions about the process. Either way, after the child is born, its certainly murder.
April40
06-26-2007, 03:12 PM
I find late-term abortions repulsive, but would prefer others to have the option to make their own decisions about the process. Either way, after the child is born, its certainly murder.
Its a tumor living inside of her. Murder count for a tumor?!
:fly:
BeerAd
06-26-2007, 03:18 PM
I find late-term abortions repulsive, but would prefer others to have the option to make their own decisions about the process. Either way, after the child is born, its certainly murder.
Something about sucking chunks of baby guts out of a woman repulses me too. I dont see how people can have an abortion after seeing it take full shape of a child in an ultrasound.
Coqui
06-26-2007, 03:20 PM
Ah, but this one wasn't killed before birth making the distinction meaningless.
There's that birth word again. Irrelevant.
Then what about during labor?
Something about sucking chunks of baby guts out of a woman repulses me too. I dont see how people can have an abortion after seeing it take full shape of a child in an ultrasound.
That reminds me of this: I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it.
BeerAd
06-26-2007, 03:27 PM
Very true. I am and will always be pro-choice. I have been through it before and know how very painful it can be.
Very true. I am and will always be pro-choice. I have been through it before and know how very painful it can be.
You've had an abortion? Wow, I didn't know they had figured out how to get a man pregnant.
Alternately, you can take Kiwi's approach and declare any fertilized human egg as a human being-- which makes me wonder how she feels about fertility clinics and the dozens of thousands of fertilized eggs currently languishing in freezers.
While the egg is fertilized, it isn't in a place where it can actually develop and grow, it's simply ready to become something but not doing so yet.
My sister had an eptopic pregnancy, there was a fertilized egg and it was somewhat developing, but due to the circumstances, it would never actually develop into a human, this pregnancy was aborted and I see nothing wrong with instances like that.
Like you stated, no one can win this debate, we all have our different opinions and we aren't going to change anyone's mind.
b_sinning
06-26-2007, 04:08 PM
I think when murdering someone if you know that ending their life will end the life within them then it should be charged as 2 murders. The husband would have known she was pregnant.
BeerAd
06-26-2007, 04:19 PM
You've had an abortion? Wow, I didn't know they had figured out how to get a man pregnant.
Yes, sadly my weight didnt decline
Edit - You do not have to be the female to feel the pain of an abortion. The mental pain far outlives the physical pain.
JPatrick
06-26-2007, 04:21 PM
Having a midget extracted from your colon does not count as an abortion.
April40
06-26-2007, 04:22 PM
Having a midget extracted from your colon does not count as an abortion.
You have never posted a serious comment.
Edit: Don't say the quote is a serious comment from you. I just want to beat you to the punch.
w_a_w
06-26-2007, 04:24 PM
While the egg is fertilized, it isn't in a place where it can actually develop and grow, it's simply ready to become something but not doing so yet.
My sister had an eptopic pregnancy, there was a fertilized egg and it was somewhat developing, but due to the circumstances, it would never actually develop into a human, this pregnancy was aborted and I see nothing wrong with instances like that.
Like you stated, no one can win this debate, we all have our different opinions and we aren't going to change anyone's mind.
I've been through that...it's what pretty much ended my last long term relationship
April40
06-26-2007, 04:24 PM
I've been through that...it's what pretty much ended my last long term relationship
Been though what? You had an abortion just like Beerad?
I've been through that...it's what pretty much ended my last long term relationship
Well, that and the whores...
JPatrick
06-26-2007, 04:28 PM
You have never posted a serious comment.
Edit: Don't say the quote is a serious comment from you. I just want to beat you to the punch.
I bet you have a midget in your colon right now.
w_a_w
06-26-2007, 04:31 PM
Been though what? You had an abortion just like Beerad?
ectopic pregnancy
the whores came after that
April40
06-26-2007, 04:37 PM
ectopic pregnancy
the whores came after that
Planned? and how would that ruin your relationship?
BeerAd
06-26-2007, 04:38 PM
I've been through that...it's what pretty much ended my last long term relationship
Abortions usually do end relationships. Normally 1 of the 2 want to have it but dont speak up, tear.
Edit - not saying you had a choice in yours, just in general
SemperFly
06-26-2007, 04:44 PM
Abortions usually do end relationships. Normally 1 of the 2 want to have it but dont speak up, tear.
Edit - not saying you had a choice in yours, just in general
also sucks when the abortion is performed before the guy even knows she's pregnant
April40
06-26-2007, 04:47 PM
also sucks when the abortion is performed before the guy even knows she's pregnant
That's doing the guy a favor!
Sarcasmo
06-26-2007, 04:48 PM
Insane. :P
The point is to be able to charge them with an additional crime. Additional charges mean additional possible convictions. Additional convictions mean bigger sentences. You follow?
w_a_w
06-26-2007, 04:53 PM
Planned? and how would that ruin your relationship?
not planned...we fought like crazy for weeks because of her jacked up pregnancy hormones and it only got worse when we found out what was going on and she was in and out of the hospital in pain for a few months
Abortions usually do end relationships. Normally 1 of the 2 want to have it but dont speak up, tear.
Edit - not saying you had a choice in yours, just in general
she didn't have an abortion...ectopics often abort themselves and that's what happened...I was cool with having it if it was healthy...I was 32 and with someone I thought I was going to get married to...I figured no time like the present if it's here
SemperFly
06-26-2007, 04:57 PM
That's doing the guy a favor!
yeah no, not even close
SemperFly
06-26-2007, 04:58 PM
The point is to be able to charge them with an additional crime. Additional charges mean additional possible convictions. Additional convictions mean bigger sentences. You follow?
Yeah but government shouldn't just start tacking on bogus charges for the sake of making more of them stick. That's not how our justice system is supposed to work. Unfortunately it already does with bullshit like hate crime laws but the whole point of the justice system is to punish those who break the law, who victimize others. Giving the government yet another tool with which to fuck the people with is not a good idea.
she didn't have an abortion...ectopics often abort themselves and that's what happened...I was cool with having it if it was healthy...I was 32 and with someone I thought I was going to get married to...I figured no time like the present if it's here
Ectopics are when the egg implants itself in your fallopian tube instead of the uterus. The scenarios are, it aborts itself, it is medically aborted, or it grows until it bursts the tube which can destroy some or all female parts and even kill the mother. They are not pregnancies that can be left to grow into maturity because they will not.
w_a_w
06-26-2007, 05:01 PM
Ectopics are when the egg implants itself in your fallopian tube instead of the uterus. The scenarios are, it aborts itself, it is medically aborted, or it grows until it bursts the tube which can destroy some or all female parts and even kill the mother. They are not pregnancies that can be left to grow into maturity because they will not.
yes, I'm aware...I just said what happened and I've been through it :p
itburnswhenipee
06-26-2007, 05:01 PM
The point is to be able to charge them with an additional crime. Additional charges mean additional possible convictions. Additional convictions mean bigger sentences. You follow?
Jezus tapdancing christ! What are you, some sort of angry traffic cop?
SemperFly
06-26-2007, 05:02 PM
Yeah but government shouldn't just start tacking on bogus charges for the sake of making more of them stick. That's not how our justice system is supposed to work. Unfortunately it already does with bullshit like hate crime laws but the whole point of the justice system is to punish those who break the law, who victimize others. Giving the government yet another tool with which to fuck the people with is not a good idea.
ok even I have to :rolleyes: at that shitty post...
yes, I'm aware...I just said what happened and I've been through it :p
I was simply adding to yours for others, didn't mean it for you cause you probably know more about them then I do! Sorry for the misunderstanding.
Jezus tapdancing christ! What are you, some sort of angry traffic cop?
Daddy was too busy being an oil baron to pay attention to him as a child.
w_a_w
06-26-2007, 05:06 PM
I was simply adding to yours for others, didn't mean it for you cause you probably know more about them then I do! Sorry for the misunderstanding.
<3
BeerAd
06-26-2007, 06:39 PM
also sucks when the abortion is performed before the guy even knows she's pregnant
Better than her waiting and then telling you she needs to get the virus out of her :O I guess each deals with it in there own way, to bad they usually forget that we actually have feelings on it.
SemperFly
06-26-2007, 06:45 PM
Better than her waiting and then telling you she needs to get the virus out of her :O I guess each deals with it in there own way, to bad they usually forget that we actually have feelings on it.
or they just don't care :lol:
ChikkenNoodul
06-26-2007, 09:30 PM
The point is to be able to charge them with an additional crime. Additional charges mean additional possible convictions. Additional convictions mean bigger sentences. You follow?
ATFOTRAF sucka
Thorn Bird
06-27-2007, 09:58 AM
Better than her waiting and then telling you she needs to get the virus out of her :O I guess each deals with it in there own way, to bad they usually forget that we actually have feelings on it.
or they just don't care :lol:
i see y'all's points, and they are very valid. but to be fair, the woman IS USUALLY the one (i see you, sarcasmo) with a majority of the workload. i'm not saying it's RIGHT necessarily, but the woman might be thinking that she's going to be the one doing all of it, so it's her decision. i can see how it would be easy to be the one to make the decision. :iono:
April40
06-27-2007, 10:12 AM
i see y'all's points, and they are very valid. but to be fair, the woman IS USUALLY the one (i see you, sarcasmo) with a majority of the workload. i'm not saying it's RIGHT necessarily, but the woman might be thinking that she's going to be the one doing all of it, so it's her decision. i can see how it would be easy to be the one to make the decision. :iono:
I agree. The guy should know about it and have his input, but ultimately its the chicks decision.
April40
06-27-2007, 10:20 AM
The killer also emotionally and physically abused his nine year old daughter as well.
THE PLOT THICKENS
SemperFly
06-27-2007, 10:51 AM
I agree. The guy should know about it and have his input, but ultimately its the chicks decision.
yeah
but she's still a rotten cunt for doing it behind the guy's back
April40
06-27-2007, 10:53 AM
yeah
but she's still a rotten cunt for doing it behind the guy's back
Meh, there will always be another opportunity.
:fly:
Thorn Bird
06-27-2007, 11:16 AM
yeah
but she's still a rotten cunt for doing it behind the guy's back
this i agree with. it's the coward's way out.
this i agree with. it's the coward's way out.
Or the responsible way out. About 15-20 years after Roe v. Wade, violent crimes plummeted...
Thorn Bird
06-27-2007, 11:26 AM
Or the responsible way out. About 15-20 years after Roe v. Wade, violent crimes plummeted...
you don't think a woman should at least inform a man he's seeded a spawn, regardless of how she chooses to deal with it?
you don't think a woman should at least inform a man he's seeded a spawn, regardless of how she chooses to deal with it?
Only a woman would want to possibly torture a man like that. If she knows what her decision is going to be, then why even mention it?
"Haha, guess what I had and now is gone? neener neener..."
April40
06-27-2007, 11:40 AM
Only a woman would want to possibly torture a man like that. If she knows what her decision is going to be, then why even mention it?
"Haha, guess what I had and now is gone? neener neener..."
Some men, unlike us, actually want children. I can see how some dude would be pussyhurt over some chick killing his sperm off like that.
Thorn Bird
06-27-2007, 11:42 AM
Only a woman would want to possibly torture a man like that. If she knows what her decision is going to be, then why even mention it?
"Haha, guess what I had and now is gone? neener neener..."
i don't mean after she's done it...i mean before.
BeerAd
06-27-2007, 12:22 PM
Ultimately its the womans choice and responsibility if you really want to look at it that way. Just dont lie and say you are on the pill, fuckin bitches.
April40
06-27-2007, 12:26 PM
Ultimately its the womans choice and responsibility if you really want to look at it that way. Just dont lie and say you are on the pill, fuckin bitches.
Don't EVER trust a woman, wrap your stick... it is your responsibility too.
SemperFly
06-27-2007, 12:55 PM
Don't EVER trust a woman
nail. head. BANG.
Thorn Bird
06-27-2007, 12:58 PM
Don't EVER trust a woman, wrap your stick... it is your responsibility too.
nail. head. bang.
Sarcasmo
06-27-2007, 01:19 PM
Jezus tapdancing christ! What are you, some sort of angry traffic cop?
Que?
SemperFly
06-27-2007, 01:30 PM
nail. head. bang.
obviously. takes two to tango but my point still stands
never trust anything that bleeds for four days and doesn't die :shady:
My mom just walked in the door in donuts, it's like she read my mind.
April40
06-27-2007, 01:43 PM
My mom just walked in the door in donuts, it's like she read my mind.
Your mom needs to be my best friend.
ChikkenNoodul
06-27-2007, 01:46 PM
She's IN donuts? Whoah.....
BeerAd
06-27-2007, 01:50 PM
Don't EVER trust a woman, wrap your stick... it is your responsibility too.
It is the responsibility of the person who takes the responsibility. If she wasnt on the pill I woulda been wrapped up. You think you can trust someone after a year but you are right, NEVER trust a woman.
BeerAd
06-27-2007, 01:51 PM
She's IN donuts? Whoah.....
Sounds like my kinda woman :imma fatty:
My mom just walked in the door in donuts, it's like she read my mind.
Are you gonna eat them off of her?
April40
06-27-2007, 01:53 PM
It is the responsibility of the person who takes the responsibility. If she wasnt on the pill I woulda been wrapped up. You think you can trust someone after a year but you are right, NEVER trust a woman.
....and fly trusts me. :lol:
BeerAd
06-27-2007, 01:54 PM
....and fly trusts me. :lol:
No he trusts the fact that you use abortions as safe sex :tard:
JK :heart::heart::heart:
April40
06-27-2007, 02:08 PM
No he trusts the fact that you use abortions as safe sex :tard:
JK :heart::heart::heart:
Hey... as long as I'm not popping out kids.
She's IN donuts? Whoah.....
I'm very tired, kids have kept me up since 4:45 am. :(
w_a_w
06-27-2007, 02:28 PM
....and fly trusts me. :lol:
wtf is he thinking?
April40
06-27-2007, 03:07 PM
wtf is he thinking?
He knows I don't want kids more than him. :P
What good could come of telling a guy you are preggers, don't want it, and that you are definately gonna have an abortion? Tha tjust seems mean.
Why mentally abuse a guy like that. Unless it is open for discussion .. that's like rubbing it in his face that he doesn't have a choice (ha ha, you lose). I don't think I would mention it if I were gonna do that. Especially if I ever wanted to talk to the guy in a civil manner again (or at least not have him key my car and slash my tires weekly). That's what can make a person snap and do crazy shit imo.
Ultimately its the womans choice and responsibility if you really want to look at it that way. Just dont lie and say you are on the pill, fuckin bitches.
I hate the pill. If you don't take it everyday pretty much at the same time .. it lowers the effictiveness greatly. If you take antibiotics it renders them basically ineffective.
If you miss two pills in a row, take two pills as soon as you remember and two pills the next day. You may have some spotting. Use your backup method of birth control until your next period.
If you miss three or more pills in a row, start your backup method of birth control immediately. Your ovaries may produce an egg (ovulation), and without a backup contraceptive you could become pregnant. Ask yourself, "Am I a good pill user?" Another method of contraception may be better for you.
More women need to ask themselves this I think .. prolly be a lot less babies in the world that shouldn't be here.
Some women just don't read up on this stuff and think if they take 2-3 pills every other day they are ok. They are dumbasses for not reading up on what they are taking.
Some people always think "it won't happen to me" too .. again, dumbasses.
April40
06-27-2007, 03:28 PM
What good could come of telling a guy you are preggers, don't want it, and that you are definately gonna have an abortion? Tha tjust seems mean.
Why mentally abuse a guy like that. Unless it is open for discussion .. that's like rubbing it in his face that he doesn't have a choice (ha ha, you lose). I don't think I would mention it if I were gonna do that. Especially if I ever wanted to talk to the guy in a civil manner again (or at least not have him key my car and slash my tires weekly). That's what can make a person snap and do crazy shit imo.
I hate the pill. If you don't take it everyday pretty much at the same time .. it lowers the effictiveness greatly. If you take antibiotics it renders them basically ineffective.
More women need to ask themselves this I think .. prolly be a lot less babies in the world that shouldn't be here.
Some women just don't read up on this stuff and think if they take 2-3 pills every other day they are ok. They are dumbasses for not reading up on what they are taking.
Some people always think "it won't happen to me" too .. again, dumbasses.
I love the pill. But then, I am a good pill user. You do not have to take it at the same time every day (such as before breakfast, etc.) Just take the freaking pill that day. If you miss it by an hour you aren't instapreg.
BeerAd
06-27-2007, 03:54 PM
I love the pill. But then, I am a good pill user. You do not have to take it at the same time every day (such as before breakfast, etc.) Just take the freaking pill that day. If you miss it by an hour you aren't instapreg.
This is what I dont fucking understand with women. How freaking hard is it to take a pill when you wake up??? And dont give me that "you try it" crap. When I am dating a girl if she is not on the pill I wear a rubber EVERY time. Its not like I start having sex and go, woops forgot to pop on a rubber. And normally in the start of the sexual side of relationships YES you are having sex every day. :fly:
April40
06-27-2007, 04:05 PM
This is what I dont fucking understand with women. How freaking hard is it to take a pill when you wake up??? And dont give me that "you try it" crap. When I am dating a girl if she is not on the pill I wear a rubber EVERY time. Its not like I start having sex and go, woops forgot to pop on a rubber. And normally in the start of the sexual side of relationships YES you are having sex every day. :fly:
Its not hard at all. I leave mine by the fridge so that way I see it every day and I also have access to a drink so no excuse not to take it.
My DR told me that if you don't take your pill within a 3 hour time frame (3 before or 3 after) when you start taking the pill it lowers the effictivness by at least 10%. So if you have strong hormones .. you can get preggers if you do that over a continued amount of time.
So if you take your pill at 8am today and don't get up until 12pm tomorrow, then lay in bed for another hour and take your pill at 1:30pm, then get up at 9am tommorrow .. and so on and so forth .. you can get into trouble.
I should know .. it's how I got my son. :fly:. I never get up at the same time more than 2 days in a row.
This is what I dont fucking understand with women. How freaking hard is it to take a pill when you wake up??? And dont give me that "you try it" crap. When I am dating a girl if she is not on the pill I wear a rubber EVERY time. Its not like I start having sex and go, woops forgot to pop on a rubber. And normally in the start of the sexual side of relationships YES you are having sex every day. :fly:
I can't ever remember to take pills (diet pills, antibiotics, birth contro, ect). I don't get up at the same time, and I don't do the same thing every morning.
I think it stems from not liking to take pills .. my subconscious just denies me the right to remember :lol:.
April40
06-27-2007, 04:31 PM
The doctors put you on a time schedule so you will make it a habit of taking it since skipping a day does reduce effectiveness.
The doctors put you on a time schedule so you will make it a habit of taking it since skipping a day does reduce effectiveness.
Well, I know I never missed a pill during the time I took them. I just took mine whenever through the day .. and 10 months after I started taking them .. I found out I was 2 weeks preggers.
After I went and asked him how that could happen .. he asked me if I took it at the same time everyday. I said no. He asked if I had actually read the pamphlet that came with them. I of course, hung my head and said "no". And he reiterated exactly what the pamphlet said, word for word.
Nothing I could do at the time .. except kick myself in the arse :lol:. I read the pamphlets that come with my drugs now :lol:.
BeerAd
06-27-2007, 04:39 PM
I can't ever remember to take pills (diet pills, antibiotics, birth contro, ect). I don't get up at the same time, and I don't do the same thing every morning.
I think it stems from not liking to take pills .. my subconscious just denies me the right to remember :lol:.
I have to remember to do something everyday, 10am when I wake up and 10pm. Its not taking a pill but I have to do it everyday.
I remember to wake up, brush my teeth (well sometimes I forget and have to do it at work .. which is why I have a toothbrush/paste/listerine here :lol:), put my hair in a pony, put on my clothes (I have forgot to put on my bra more times than I can recall .. I have one of those in my locker as well :lol:) and that's about it.
I'm very forgetful :lol:
April40
06-27-2007, 04:45 PM
Well, I know I never missed a pill during the time I took them. I just took mine whenever through the day .. and 10 months after I started taking them .. I found out I was 2 weeks preggers.
After I went and asked him how that could happen .. he asked me if I took it at the same time everyday. I said no. He asked if I had actually read the pamphlet that came with them. I of course, hung my head and said "no". And he reiterated exactly what the pamphlet said, word for word.
Nothing I could do at the time .. except kick myself in the arse :lol:. I read the pamphlets that come with my drugs now :lol:.
There are a million of other possibilities. Were you working out at the time? That metabolizes the pill much faster and is how someone I know got pregnant.
Were you taking other medications? Recreational drugs? Smoking?
Were your hormone levels correct? too low? too high?
I have a hard time believing that missing a pill after 8 hours is going to make you pregnant.
There are a million of other possibilities. Were you working out at the time? That metabolizes the pill much faster and is how someone I know got pregnant.
Were you taking other medications? Recreational drugs? Smoking?
Were your hormone levels correct? too low? too high?
I have a hard time believing that missing a pill after 8 hours is going to make you pregnant.
nope I was 18 .. had never worked oit before in my life. Wasn't taking any drugs, haven't ever smoked (except once when I was 17 and got caught with my first pack :lol: .. that was the end of that), and I would assume the DR tested my hormone levels to decide which pill to put me on 10 months earlier when I got them.
I remember to wake up, brush my teeth (well sometimes I forget and have to do it at work .. which is why I have a toothbrush/paste/listerine here :lol:), put my hair in a pony, put on my clothes (I have forgot to put on my bra more times than I can recall .. I have one of those in my locker as well :lol:) and that's about it.
I'm very forgetful :lol:
I set a timer on my phone. When it goes off, I take the pill. Like you, wake up or bedtime didn't work (it would work better now cause the kids are fairly consistent), so I chose a time that I was usually at home or at least somewhere I could easily grab some water. The minipill that you take while nursing is even much more strict about timing cause it's such a low dose. Oh, and in case anyone didn't know, nursing is not an effective form of birth control (no, we didn't think that, we were using other methods).
KNYTE
06-27-2007, 04:49 PM
Oh, and in case anyone didn't know, nursing is not an effective form of birth control (no, we didn't think that, we were using other methods).
Ha, not the one time it would've made a difference.
Ha, not the one time it would've made a difference.
There are other issues too, but we won't get into that on a public forum.
We thought we were using other methods.
April40
06-27-2007, 04:58 PM
nope I was 18 .. had never worked oit before in my life. Wasn't taking any drugs, haven't ever smoked (except once when I was 17 and got caught with my first pack :lol: .. that was the end of that), and I would assume the DR tested my hormone levels to decide which pill to put me on 10 months earlier when I got them.
They don't test actually. :hs:
BeerAd
06-27-2007, 04:59 PM
I remember to wake up, brush my teeth (well sometimes I forget and have to do it at work .. which is why I have a toothbrush/paste/listerine here :lol:), put my hair in a pony, put on my clothes (I have forgot to put on my bra more times than I can recall .. I have one of those in my locker as well :lol:) and that's about it.
I'm very forgetful :lol:
lol...
1 word
WOW :fly:
There are other issues too, but we won't get into that on a public forum.
We thought we were using other methods.
The face method works for me... :iono:
April40
06-27-2007, 05:15 PM
The face method works for me... :iono:
Works great for the skin!
lol...
1 word
WOW :fly:
It's my mom's fault. I wasn't always so bad. But since I've moved back home she does everything before anyone else can attempt to do it, so I gave up trying and just go with it .. I'm left with doing nothing except "my stuff" .. I think my brain has gone soft :lol:.
The face method works for me... :iono:
And anytime you and Knyte have sex, feel free to do it that way.
w_a_w
06-27-2007, 05:33 PM
And anytime you and Knyte have sex, feel free to do it that way.
he does lick it off so it isn't that degrading
Sarcasmo
06-27-2007, 05:37 PM
Somewhere Theac is shaking his head.
w_a_w
06-27-2007, 05:42 PM
Somewhere Theac is shaking his head.
:fly:
Somewhere Theac is shaking his head.
Only because you posted...
April40
06-27-2007, 06:47 PM
Somewhere Theac is shaking his head.
I'm sure he lurks still. Thinking... gosh how are they functioning without me. I wonder if they talk about me. waaa waa omg I can't believe fly let that n00b out.
KNYTE
06-27-2007, 08:07 PM
I'm sure he lurks still. Thinking... gosh how are they functioning without me. I wonder if they talk about me. waaa waa omg I can't believe fly let that n00b out.
I've had the same thought in the past as well.
ChikkenNoodul
06-28-2007, 11:01 AM
Without wasting his time here I'm sure he's invented some new type of sound producing device that will revolutionize home theatre in the next 5-10 years.
Without wasting his time here I'm sure he's invented some new type of sound producing device that will revolutionize home theatre in the next 5-10 years.
I think I heard him mention something about the Chikken Alcohol Withdrawl Speaker System...
ChikkenNoodul
06-28-2007, 12:31 PM
So I'll be sitting there shakin' like Reno and some dude with a plate in his skull is gonna be hearing Culture Club?
BeerAd
06-28-2007, 04:43 PM
It's my mom's fault. I wasn't always so bad. But since I've moved back home she does everything before anyone else can attempt to do it, so I gave up trying and just go with it .. I'm left with doing nothing except "my stuff" .. I think my brain has gone soft :lol:.
I cant remember yesterday but I can only blame that on mysel... POT its all REFERS FAULT
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