People Who SMOKE Inside Their House...

[April40]

You are a fucking disgusting human being.


http://upload.pzind.com/files/2/DSC03716%20%28Medium%29.JPG

I am having to paint every surface in the house to get rid of the nicotine stains. This stuff is on your lungs too. :(

[Valve1080i]

:pics: of lungs?

[JPatrick]

You should see what it does to the inside of a computer.

[April40]

You should see what it does to the inside of a computer.

I bet it makes everything sticky. We had to replace the thermostat, it was incredibly sticky with nicotine*.


*zac's cum

[hawk82]

I remember in my last job I went to this guy's house to install an internet connection, and he had a standard beige computer case, except it wasn't beige anymore. More like a yellow. Soot was all inside the computer too. Fucking grosssssss. I think the worst is parents who smoke around their children (i.e. younger than 18 yrs of age) in the house.

[BeerAd]

Im having one right now, muahahhaha but who cares its my landlords house, lol

[Thorn Bird]

i don't think i could ever buy a home that had been smoked in.

[fly]

i don't think i could ever buy a home that had been smoked in.

Smoking stinks. Thankfully, it doesn't really smell like smoke...

[April40]

i don't think i could ever buy a home that had been smoked in.

When we saw the house, at least I, had no clue it had been smoked in. I'm guessing the sellers had stopped smoking a while back since the smell wasn't too bad. The stains are worse.

[April40]

I remember in my last job I went to this guy's house to install an internet connection, and he had a standard beige computer case, except it wasn't beige anymore. More like a yellow. Soot was all inside the computer too. Fucking grosssssss. I think the worst is parents who smoke around their children (i.e. younger than 18 yrs of age) in the house.

I do not agree with that either. As much as I despise kids, it used to get me pissed off when a friend would smoke weed/cigs around her infant. She was such an idiot.

[elpmis]

fuck, that sucks. it's cool though, paint the walls and doors like you are doing, steam clean the carpet, and then buy that pet powder shit, put it all over your carpet and vacuum that bitch up - and if you're real paranoid rip open all the windows and purchase an air purifier. boom, it'll be like new

[April40]

fuck, that sucks. it's cool though, paint the walls and doors like you are doing, steam clean the carpet, and then buy that pet powder shit, put it all over your carpet and vacuum that bitch up - and if you're real paranoid rip open all the windows and purchase an air purifier. boom, it'll be like new

We hired a carpet cleaner/grout cleaner and took care of that before we moved in. Bath and body works was having a sale on their wallflowers (plug ins) and we stocked up on those... the smell isn't bad, it's the fucking stains. Have most of the house painted except the ceiling (which is last) and two bedrooms.

[April40]

Why we are painting the ceilings....

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Replacing the vent too. This house is going to be brand fucking new when we're done with it. Replacing the floors is on the list too.

Edit: It doesn't even look half as bad in the pic... stupid cheap camera. The ceilings are white with a tinge coming from the vent.


BEERAD STOP FUCKING SMOKING INDOORS YOU TWAT.

[SRC]

It's funny when smokers move their furnitue and see the difference in the paint behind things. It makes me laugh at them.

[April40]

It's funny when smokers move their furnitue and see the difference in the paint behind things. It makes me laugh at them.

When the sellers took the frames off the walls there were squares of the original paint left. :barf:

[itburnswhenipee]

The stains will ultimately work their way through paint, fyi. You may ultimately have to undergo some sort of godawful paint stripping ritual in order to cure the problem.

My mother-in-law, who smokes like a goddamned steamboat, had to run an ozone generator in her house for a couple of weeks prior to selling it. Apparently ozone, which is more or less what most folks call smog, is able to cancel out the smell or cigarette smoke. Who knew.

[sizzlinggrace]

my dad smokes in the house sometimes...but his favorite seat is right by the windows in our living room, so he lets the air out that way.

my mom is the queen of scented candles and air fresheners though and our house doesn't smell bad.

most of the time he lounges in our backyard when he smokes.

[SRC]

Trust me .. go get you a damp sponge and wipe the walls. It doesn't all go out the window.

2 words .. Kilz Paint ftw!

[animepark13]

enjoy it... i bet you randomly smell smoke everynow and then for the next year

[April40]

The stains will ultimately work their way through paint, fyi. You may ultimately have to undergo some sort of godawful paint stripping ritual in order to cure the problem.

My mother-in-law, who smokes like a goddamned steamboat, had to run an ozone generator in her house for a couple of weeks prior to selling it. Apparently ozone, which is more or less what most folks call smog, is able to cancel out the smell or cigarette smoke. Who knew.

That's what I'm worried about. The colored paint is fine, it's the white on the doors and the frames that I think is seeping through. I told myself it's just my eyes seeing things. I put 2-3 coats on everything.

Dear god no.

[b_sinning]

People that smoke inside that have kids deserve a good ass kicking.

[SRC]

People that smoke inside that have kids* deserve a good ass kicking.

*or pets (fixt)

[sizzlinggrace]

Trust me .. go get you a damp sponge and wipe the walls. It doesn't all go out the window.

2 words .. Kilz Paint ftw!

i think my mom routinely cleans the walls. ::shrug:: but i don't doubt it lingers.

[SemperFly]

if you're going to paint your ceiling might as well do a recreation of the sistine chapel while you're at it :hi2u:

[SemperFly]

complete with Pastafarian inspiration, no less!

http://www.nyu.edu/classes/siva/archives/fsm_1.jpg

[Nyx]

I've always had a strict 'no smoking' policy in my home, I'm making the house payments, I can damned well tell people not to spread their smoke all over MY house...but now with a very tiny baby around I've become almost fanatical about it. Anyone who walks into my house with cigarettes in their pocket had damned well better keep them there.

[Onnotangu]

which is why I don't visit certian friends very much. I quit smoking long ago for a reason.

[fly]

People that smoke inside that have kids deserve a good ass kicking.

2nd hand smoke is BS.

[animepark13]

complete with Pastafarian inspiration, no less!

http://www.nyu.edu/classes/siva/archives/fsm_1.jpg
i would never be able to go to sleep under a ceiling with that painted on it.

[b_sinning]

2nd hand smoke is BS.

It burns my eyes and nose. That indicates to me that maybe it's not good to breath.

[April40]

i would never be able to go to sleep under a ceiling with that painted on it.

His little weiner is going to get you.

[BadMojo]

We inherited furniture from my grandparents (both were chain smokers). The funriture lived in the garage until it aired out and then we spent a couple of weeks scrubbing the hell out of it. Now it's in the house and usually it's fine but every once in a while I catch that yucky scent.

[April40]

We inherited furniture from my grandparents (both were chain smokers). The funriture lived in the garage until it aired out and then we spent a couple of weeks scrubbing the hell out of it. Now it's in the house and usually it's fine but every once in a while I catch that yucky scent.

Take a pressure washer to it. :lol:

[SRC]

Febreeze, Febreeze, Febreeze.

[JPatrick]

Take a pressure washer to it. :lol:


I dont think even that would work.
This stuff has like 50+ years of chain-smoking soaked into the very pores of the wood.

[April40]

I dont think even that would work.
This stuff has like 50+ years of chain-smoking soaked into the very pores of the wood.

Build a replica of it. I know you can. :fly:

[b_sinning]

We inherited furniture from my grandparents (both were chain smokers). The furniture lived in the garage until it aired out and then we spent a couple of weeks scrubbing the hell out of it. Now it's in the house and usually it's fine but every once in a while I catch that yucky scent.

The smell of dead granny is always hard to get out. Oh by the way, they had sex on that furniture. Wrinkly sex.

[wanko80]

2nd hand smoke is BS.
WTF?

[animepark13]

The smell of dead granny is always hard to get out. Oh by the way, they had sex on that furniture. Wrinkly sex.
:drool: all the fantasies

[sizzlinggrace]

The smell of dead granny is always hard to get out. Oh by the way, they had sex on that furniture. Wrinkly sex.

at least you didnt inherit the car your parents boinked in :P

[b_sinning]

at least you didnt inherit the car your parents boinked in :P

When I was 16 I inherited the car my grandparents boinked in. It had a huge backseat and I used it a few times so I'm not going to fault Granddad for getting his swerve on too.

[HifiGirly]

My inlaws smoke in their house, but only in their bedrooms with the door closed, its disgusting. They were at our house yesterday for a cookout. They went to light up in the backyard and I had told my husband to tell them they were not smoking in our yard. And his mom was like I'll smoke at the back of the yard and it was like no. His mom was annoyed but oh well. His sister said whenever they come over they find cigarette butts in the front yard afterwards. I am going to check my yard latter and if there are any I will be gathering them up and taking them to their front yard. (Yes I am in slightly vengeful mood since they left a tea container that leaked all over my fridge that I just scrubbed out the other day).

[animepark13]

My inlaws smoke in their house, but only in their bedrooms with the door closed, its disgusting. They were at our house yesterday for a cookout. They went to light up in the backyard and I had told my husband to tell them they were not smoking in our yard. And his mom was like I'll smoke at the back of the yard and it was like no. His mom was annoyed but oh well. His sister said whenever they come over they find cigarette butts in the front yard afterwards. I am going to check my yard latter and if there are any I will be gathering them up and taking them to their front yard. (Yes I am in slightly vengeful mood since they left a tea container that leaked all over my fridge that I just scrubbed out the other day).

i wouldn't mind family memembers smoking near me but throwing their shit on the ground is lame

[HifiGirly]

i wouldn't mind family memembers smoking near me but throwing their shit on the ground is lame

Well I am pregnant and have a 2 year old. There were also a 3 month old baby and 2 other children. They are the only people that smoke in the family other than 2 of my cousins (both of whom married into the family), I didn't grow up around it and I think its a dirty, nasty habit.

[April40]

Well I am pregnant and have a 2 year old. There were also a 3 month old baby and 2 other children. They are the only people that smoke in the family other than 2 of my cousins (both of whom married into the family), I didn't grow up around it and I think its a dirty, nasty habit.

It is a nasty habit, and it would be nice if other people who smoke had some respect for others children and NOT smoke around them.

Selfish I tell ya!

[SRC]

I love that restaurants in AL have gone completely smoke free. Nothing is more disgusting than sitting and trying to enjoy your food and a roll of freshly lit cigarette smoke waifes into your mouth. Fucking nasty.

[b_sinning]

It's nice going to bars and not coming home reeking of smoke.

[HydroSqueegee]

I love that restaurants in AL have gone completely smoke free. Nothing is more disgusting than sitting and trying to enjoy your food and a roll of freshly lit cigarette smoke waifes into your mouth. Fucking nasty.

Its been so nice since ohio instituted their ban. Going to ANY dining establishment is a pleasure. Especially the Waffle House and Cracker Barrel. Both were always smoky and nasty, but the food was good.

[fly]

WTF?
Ya, get over it.
I love that restaurants in AL have gone completely smoke free. Nothing is more disgusting than sitting and trying to enjoy your food and a roll of freshly lit cigarette smoke waifes into your mouth. Fucking nasty.
Be honest, how many times did that happen? Please quote it as a percentage of visits to a restaurant. I think its a bunch of shit that smokers are the scapegoat for legislators with nothing better to do.

[April40]

It's nice going to bars and not coming home reeking of smoke.

I agree 100%.

[HifiGirly]

Ya, get over it.

Be honest, how many times did that happen? Please quote it as a percentage of visits to a restaurant. I think its a bunch of shit that smokers are the scapegoat for legislators with nothing better to do.

I hated going to restaurants and getting sat near the smoking section, there were always people smoking there. I hated when you asked for nonsmoking seating and got sat right next to the smoking section because it was just as bad as sitting it the section. I am glad legislators ban smoking in Ohio. If someone wants to sit and pollute their lungs with smoke then fine but don't make me breathe in the crap.

[animepark13]

Well I am pregnant and have a 2 year old. There were also a 3 month old baby and 2 other children. They are the only people that smoke in the family other than 2 of my cousins (both of whom married into the family), I didn't grow up around it and I think its a dirty, nasty habit.

ok that is simply failing at life if you smoke around children

[April40]

Ya, get over it.

Be honest, how many times did that happen? Please quote it as a percentage of visits to a restaurant. I think its a bunch of shit that smokers are the scapegoat for legislators with nothing better to do.

Smoking is bad for everyone. Who cares if its a scapegoat.

[SRC]

Be honest, how many times did that happen? Please quote it as a percentage of visits to a restaurant. I think its a bunch of shit that smokers are the scapegoat for legislators with nothing better to do.

Waffle House: 100%

Denny's: 100%

Broadway BBQ: 100% (I think I am the only person to ever eat at this place that did not smoke)

Purple Onion (little after hours spot that serves mediterranean food): 95%

Subway: 75% (sometimes they aren't busy)

Cracker Barrel: 50% (I usually ask to be seated as far away from the smoking section as possible but if they are busy .. you get put where they can stash you)

Rocky's Pizza: 60%

O'Charley's: 50%, unless I sat at the bar then it was prolly 75-80%

Ruby Tuesday's: 40%, unless I sat at the bar then it was more like 80%

I have friends who smoke .. so being in places that allow you to smoke at the table .. they did so. Now they have to get up and go outside. My meals taste so much better now, no more ashtray rememberance.

hmm maybe that's why I've gained 10lbs :lol:.

[HydroSqueegee]

Ya, get over it.

Be honest, how many times did that happen? Please quote it as a percentage of visits to a restaurant. I think its a bunch of shit that smokers are the scapegoat for legislators with nothing better to do.

last time i checked the fireman said it was bad to inhale smoke. Its full of chemicals and other bad things.

[KNYTE]

lol @ people who smoke.

[SRC]

It's nice going to bars and not coming home reeking of smoke.

The "bars" (meaning, establishments that serve more alcohol than food) here still allow smoking if it is a privateclub (meaning you have to fill out a piece of paper and get a paper card with a # on it to get inside .. big woop).

So you still come home smelling like smoke.

I always put a towel on my pillow when I come home .. so my pillow doesn't stink. I also put my clothes out in the garage until the next time I wash clothes .. so my clothes hamper doesn't stink.

[b_sinning]

April do you let fly smoke on your enclosed porch?

[April40]

April do you let fly smoke on your enclosed porch?

He has never smoked a cig in his life.

[w_a_w]

It's nice going to bars and not coming home reeking of smoke.

how do you do that? smoking is legal in bars in GA

[b_sinning]

how do you do that? smoking is legal in bars in GA

Depends on the bar here. I avoid cigar (cancer) bars.

[dbzeag]

He has never smoked a cig in his life.

He wasn't implying fly smokes "cigarettes"...

[w_a_w]

He wasn't implying fly smokes "cigarettes"...

I call bullshit on both counts regardless

[Jonny_B]

with any luck they'll ban the ugly people and the blacks from restaurants and bars too. Oh, and no gay kissing, it's bad for the children.

[SRC]

Last time I checked you couldn't breathe in ugly or black .. so I think you're safe.

[dbzeag]

Last time I checked you couldn't breathe in ugly or black .. so I think you're safe.

You can breathe in gay kissing?

Damn no wonder why chim and I get strange looks at the grocery store...

[Jonny_B]

Last time I checked you couldn't breathe in ugly or black .. so I think you're safe.
that's bullshit. the truth is people find it unpleasant. smoking bans are up there with "scent free zones" and other horseshit restrictions concocted by people who have nothing better to do than force other people to live the way they want them to.

majority rule opresses again.

[JPatrick]

You can breathe in gay kissing?

Damn no wonder why chim and I get strange looks at the grocery store...


Im sure the strange looks are due to you two "test fitting" the cucumbers.

[SRC]

that's bullshit. the truth is people find it unpleasant. smoking bans are up there with "scent free zones" and other horseshit restrictions concocted by people who have nothing better to do than force other people to live the way they want them to.

majority rule opresses again.

I've never entered a "scent free zone". You can't get cancer from sniffing perfume. And I highly doubt, unless it's ina hospital or some office where a bunch of peope are allergic to perfume/chemicals .. that they will implement that on a wide scale basis. They would bankrupt millions of perfume makers.

Smoking is bad for you, it's bad for other people, it makes wherever people smoke smell terrible, and it leaves a sticky, nasty mess everywhere (look at people who smoke alot .. it stains the tips of their fingers and their teeth. I personally don't want the inside of my lungs stained with that mess, or my kids lungs.)

It's hard to clean up and keep an establishment smelling and looking "clean" and smelling fresh when they allow smoking. I personally dont like eating anywhere smoking is allowed .. just for the simple fact it's dirty. I can't imagine what % of fire risks went down when they banned them either.

It's not a ban to opress people .. people who smoke just like to say that because they are pissed they can't light up wherever they want anymore.

Too many studies have been done that proves it's bad for you and everyone around you. They are tired of all the class action cancer law suits .. so they did what they needed to do to minimize a lot of them.

[SemperFly]

I've never entered a "scent free zone". You can't get cancer from sniffing perfume. And I highly doubt, unless it's ina hospital or some office where a bunch of peope are allergic to perfume/chemicals .. that they will implement that on a wide scale basis. They would bankrupt millions of perfume makers.

Smoking is bad for you, it's bad for other people, it makes wherever people smoke smell terrible, and it leaves a sticky, nasty mess everywhere (look at people who smoke alot .. it stains the tips of their fingers and their teeth. I personally don't want the inside of my lungs stained with that mess, or my kids lungs.)

It's hard to clean up and keep an establishment smelling and looking "clean" and smelling fresh when they allow smoking. I personally dont like eating anywhere smoking is allowed .. just for the simple fact it's dirty. I can't imagine what % of fire risks went down when they banned them either.

It's not a ban to opress people .. people who smoke just like to say that because they are pissed they can't light up wherever they want anymore.

Too many studies have been done that proves it's bad for you and everyone around you. They are tired of all the class action cancer law suits .. so they did what they needed to do to minimize a lot of them.
You can't get cancer from thirty seconds of second hand smoke. Don't like the fact that I allow people to smoke in my establishment? Go find another place to eat/work. :p

[w_a_w]

let's ban toilets too! they are icky and evil stuff goes in them :lol:

[JPatrick]

let's ban toilets too! they are icky and evil stuff goes in them :lol:



Hey now, lets all just calm down here.

[w_a_w]

Hey now, lets all just calm down here.

:D

[April40]

You can't get cancer from thirty seconds of second hand smoke. Don't like the fact that I allow people to smoke in my establishment? Go find another place to eat/work. :p

I'm sure no one would visit your establishment anyways! hmpf!

[b_sinning]

I'd like to enter someone's "scent free zone" and fart.

[KNYTE]

I'm sure no one would visit your establishment anyways! hmpf!

Yeah, you tell that Romulan nagger.

edit: u go guuurl! :haaay:

[SemperFly]

Yeah, you tell that Romulan nagger.

edit: u go guuurl! :haaay:

amton'wi-kha :rolleyes:

[KNYTE]

amton'wi-kha :rolleyes:

Is there a word in Klingon for loneliness?

*flips through Klingon - English dictionary

Ah yes....

KAL DAAAAHK!

[Sarcasmo]

You should see what it does to the inside of a computer.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/PhatDaddyDamon/screen.jpg

[April40]

Fucking nerds.

[Sarcasmo]

I hated going to restaurants and getting sat near the smoking section, there were always people smoking there. I hated when you asked for nonsmoking seating and got sat right next to the smoking section because it was just as bad as sitting it the section. I am glad legislators ban smoking in Ohio. If someone wants to sit and pollute their lungs with smoke then fine but don't make me breathe in the crap.

Air pollution is eleventy million times as bad as 2nd hand smoke, and yet it's legal.

[SRC]

You can't get cancer from thirty seconds of second hand smoke. Don't like the fact that I allow people to smoke in my establishment? Go find another place to eat/work. :p

I stopped eating at Denny's and Waffle house because it was so bad, so did my parents and my aunt and uncle. And I dunno what kinda hoover you have attached to your face .. but it takes me longer than 30 seconds to get my meal, much less eat it. During the time I'm there .. I'm betting I get a full hour of inhalation.

[KNYTE]

Fucking nerds.

This statement is funny to me, because you regularly get f**ked by a nerd.

[SRC]

Air pollution is eleventy million times as bad as 2nd hand smoke, and yet it's legal.

Funny though .. they've started putting Air Quality bulletins out on the interstates (we have LED signs hanging above the interstates) telling you to reduce driving.

I think that's one reason gas prices have jumped back up .. to make people drive less.

[wanko80]

I think that's one reason gas prices have jumped back up .. to make people drive less.
Or it could be so the gas companies make more money.

[April40]

This statement is funny to me, because you regularly get f**ked by a nerd.

That is funny. :lol:

[b_sinning]

Air pollution should be punished more.

[SemperFly]

I stopped eating at Denny's and Waffle house because it was so bad, so did my parents and my aunt and uncle. And I dunno what kinda hoover you have attached to your face .. but it takes me longer than 30 seconds to get my meal, much less eat it. During the time I'm there .. I'm betting I get a full hour of inhalation.

The point was that it can't take more than 30 seconds for you to walk into an establishment, see that people are allowed to smoke and choose to go somewhere else. If you still decide to sit down and eat then you have no one to blame but yourself.

You and your folks made the right decision. Getting an hour full of second hand smoke is due to your choices.

[mikey]

When my grandma and grandpa quit smoking about two decades ago, she had to either use a chemical on the walls and ceilings to clean or Kilz. You can't just paint over that nastiness, it will seep through the paint. Then she replaced the carpet and furniture. Disgusting.

[April40]

When my grandma and grandpa quit smoking about two decades ago, she had to either use a chemical on the walls and ceilings to clean or Kilz. You can't just paint over that nastiness, it will seep through the paint. Then she replaced the carpet and furniture. Disgusting.

You cannot be serious. :( I have already put a million moons into this place painting it.

[Thorn Bird]

You cannot be serious. :( I have already put a million moons into this place painting it.

i hate to tell you that it's very likely you'll never completely get rid of it. :( :(

[April40]

i hate to tell you that it's very likely you'll never completely get rid of it. :( :(

OMFG I AM CRYING HERE.

[mikey]

You cannot be serious. :( I have already put a million moons into this place painting it.



You might be just fine.

[SRC]

The point was that it can't take more than 30 seconds for you to walk into an establishment, see that people are allowed to smoke and choose to go somewhere else. If you still decide to sit down and eat then you have no one to blame but yourself.

You and your folks made the right decision. Getting an hour full of second hand smoke is due to your choices.

When you are with a group of people who smoke .. you're kinda the minority. You're also shit out of luck when you didn't drive. You're also shit out of luck when before the ban .. all restaurants were that way.

Now smokers are the minorty. We took that shit back!

[SemperFly]

When you are with a group of people who smoke .. you're kinda the minority. You're also shit out of luck when you didn't drive. You're also shit out of luck when before the ban .. all restaurants were that way.

Now smokers are the minorty. We took that shit back!

Yet you're still choosing to hang out with said smokers. In other words, you have no one to blame but yourself.

If all restaurants were that way before the ban then stop going out. You choose to expose yourself to second hand smoke. No two ways about it.

[SRC]

I guess I could have just shut myself up in a box and never come out to. It was a lot more simple for the people polluting everything to just quit polluting the air so that everyone can enjoy the outside world.

/problem solved

[Thorn Bird]

You might be just fine.

yes. we are going to take the brighter side of things. :) :heart: i'm sure you'll end up fine!!!!

[April40]

Oh you guys. :lol:

[mikey]

Oh you guys. :lol:




You may just need to rent a back hoe and I don't mean have Dharma walk through the front door huge ass first.

[SemperFly]

I guess I could have just shut myself up in a box and never come out to. It was a lot more simple for the people polluting everything to just quit polluting the air so that everyone can enjoy the outside world.

/problem solved

Inside a restaurant != outside world. You can enjoy the world all you want but if you want to eat in my restaurant you're going to put up with people smoking. Don't like it? There's one down the street that doesn't allow smoking.

cu l8r allig8r

[SRC]

I'm glad I live in AL then .. in AL it doesn't matter if you would allow it or not .. it's against the law to allow it :D.

I can go anywhere I want now without ending up smelling like the bottom of an ashtray :frolicks around nasty smell free:

[mikey]

:frolicks around nasty smell free:



well at least until thursday

[SRC]

well at least until thursday

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h203/Sexxieracerchik4/MYSPACE%20Graphics/Animated/RandomGraphics/1146604386222dh1-1.gif

[SemperFly]

I'm glad I live in AL then .. in AL it doesn't matter if you would allow it or not .. it's against the law to allow it :D.

I can go anywhere I want now without ending up smelling like the bottom of an ashtray :frolicks around nasty smell free:

YOU COMMIE! :p

edit: on an unrelated note, I just bought a gun from a guy in Courtland, AL :D

[SRC]

I dunno where that is .. must be towards Montgomery :lol: I'm pretty unfamilar with that side of the state.

[April40]

You may just need to rent a back hoe and I don't mean have Dharma walk through the front door huge ass first.

She is so going to rip your eyes out when she sees this.


Quoted for complete destruction.

[w_a_w]

I'm glad I live in AL then .. in AL it doesn't matter if you would allow it or not .. it's against the law to allow it :D.

I can go anywhere I want now without ending up smelling like the bottom of an ashtray :frolicks around nasty smell free:

one of the world's least spoken sentences :fly:
right up there with,"dental surgery is so cool!" and,"who knew a2m would be so tasty?"

[SRC]

I like AL honestly. I mean .. it's kinda boring because there isn't a lot to do .. but then again if I want to "do something" .. I just take a road trip. And that's always cool.

I don't see why everyone says it sucks. It's quiet, it's clean, and we don't have 40 bagillion tourists clogging up the roads.

[April40]

There are lots of hillbillies out there. I know this because the south is full of them.

[Dharma1521]

You may just need to rent a back hoe and I don't mean have Dharma walk through the front door huge ass first.

HATE

[w_a_w]

HATE

mandatory request for :pics: of huge ass

[JPatrick]

Dharmas a fatty?

[b_sinning]

No way she's as big as april.

[b_sinning]

mandatory request for :pics: of huge ass

Just a picture of the hole weighs 5lbs.

[April40]

No way she's as big as april.

qft

[kiwi]

Does anyone know if Arizona has the clean air act in place? I could look it up myself but alas, I am lazy.

[KNYTE]

Anybody seen "Thank you for smoking"? Hilarious movie.

[wanko80]

Anybody seen "Thank you for smoking"? Hilarious movie.
You are correct sir. Another good smoking movie, but less funny, was The Insider.

[SRC]

There are lots of hillbillies out there. I know this because the south is full of them.

I dunno where the hill billies are .. unless they live waaaaay off like towards Huntsville or out past Montgomery .. but I live 20 min from the city (15 if I drive 80). Now, there are some really ghetto/trashy people in some parts. But from the states I've visited .. the people who live directly around me are no different than anywhere else. Don't let people fool you though .. southern people arent as freindly as people make out. Most of them are assholes :lol:.

[April40]

I've lived in Texas and I'm sure its very similar, the hillbillies are everywhere!

[w_a_w]

I dunno where the hill billies are .. unless they live waaaaay off like towards Huntsville or out past Montgomery .. but I live 20 min from the city (15 if I drive 80). Now, there are some really ghetto/trashy people in some parts. But from the states I've visited .. the people who live directly around me are no different than anywhere else. Don't let people fool you though .. southern people arent as freindly as people make out. Most of them are assholes :lol:.

I've seen some of the most impoverished backwater shitholes I've ever seen in AL...there is a town you drive through on the way down to destin from atlanta that is literally like going back in time 70 years...I was honestly amazed at the squalor...this coming from someone who lives in GA too so I've seen rural redneckery driving around this state as well

I'm sure there are very beautiful areas too

[SRC]

I've seen some of the most impoverished backwater shitholes I've ever seen in AL...there is a town you drive through on the way down to destin from atlanta that is literally like going back in time 70 years...I was honestly amazed at the squalor...this coming from someone who lives in GA too so I've seen rural redneckery driving around this state as well

I'm sure there are very beautiful areas too

yea, like I said .. out past Montogomery. I live a loooong way from down there, in civilization.

[Thorn Bird]

no no no...huntsville has got the highest ratio of PhDs. the hillbillies tend to stick to the "county" whereas the rednecks are nicely sprinkled throughout alabama. north alabama is great, but you just can't escape from country bumpkins.

edit: courtland's near florence which is down the road from decatur which is near huntsville. :)

[itburnswhenipee]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/PhatDaddyDamon/screen.jpg

A little nip, tuck, and botox will firm that right up.

[SRC]

no no no...huntsville has got the highest ratio of PhDs. the hillbillies tend to stick to the "county" whereas the rednecks are nicely sprinkled throughout alabama. north alabama is great, but you just can't escape from country bumpkins.

edit: courtland's near florence which is down the road from decatur which is near huntsville. :)

I dated someone who lived in Huntsville .. that's might close to the TN hills. I saw some things. They weren't pretty.

[Thorn Bird]

I dated someone who lived in Huntsville .. that's might close to the TN hills. I saw some things. They weren't pretty.

:omy: i don't doubt you one bit. :lol:

[BeerAd]

What if you are smoking in your house because you dont feel like painting the walls yellow?

[dbzeag]

but you just can't escape from country bumpkins.


Yes you can, just stay above the Mason/Dixon line :fly:

:heart:

[Thorn Bird]

Yes you can, just stay above the Mason/Dixon line :fly:

:heart:

but i love me some country bumpkins. :heart:

[dbzeag]

but i love me some country bumpkins. :heart:

Spange is not bumpkin, though. He is sophisticated manmeat that unfortunately has been placed in a part of the country that hasn't seen 21st century yet.

:heart:

[mikey]

I kinda like the durrty south.

[fly]

Inside a restaurant != outside world. You can enjoy the world all you want but if you want to eat in my restaurant you're going to put up with people smoking. Don't like it? There's one down the street that doesn't allow smoking.

cu l8r allig8r

I'm glad you and I finally see eye to eye on something. We don't need more laws, let capitalism solve it. Jesus. People want the government to spoon feed them...

[April40]

I'm glad you and I finally see eye to eye on something. We don't need more laws, let capitalism solve it. Jesus. People want the government to spoon feed them...

Flynavy? Is that you? WTF did you guys name rape each other...?

[fly]

Flynavy? Is that you? WTF did you guys name rape each other...?

Well, its true. If a place is too smoky for you, DONT GO THERE. To be honest, there were very few times I went to a restaurant and SAT in the smoking section and was bothered by smoke. More legislation ftl...

[SemperFly]

Flynavy? Is that you? WTF did you guys name rape each other...?

I'm taking over his life

see you tonight, sugarbutt :dirk:

[FlamingGlory]

I remember, when I was a little kid, and there were smoking sections.

[w_a_w]

I can remember smoking on planes

[FlamingGlory]

I can remember smoking on planes

My parents remember when _everyone_ wore a real hat but let's not go too far back :P

[fly]

I can remember smoking on planes

Me too. Know how many times I remember smelling smoke? NONE.

[w_a_w]

Me too. Know how many times I remember smelling smoke? NONE.

same

[kiwi]

I kinda like the durrty south.

You like SRC being dirty in the south.

[JPatrick]

Me too. Know how many times I remember smelling smoke? NONE.

I smoked on planes plenty of times. Usually you had to sit way in the back tho.

[April40]

Well, its true. If a place is too smoky for you, DONT GO THERE. To be honest, there were very few times I went to a restaurant and SAT in the smoking section and was bothered by smoke. More legislation ftl...

I am bothered by the smoke standing next to a friend that smokes and just smelling it on them. Bleh, yuck.

Anyways, I do not see loads of Americans freaking out about this minute law. Only you two... and it isn't even about the law, it's about government control. Call me silly, but there are many other things to worry about instead of being paranoid about the government controlling us.

I am sure if it gets to the point of ridiculous control by the government, the people can easily over throw it.

/digging hole

[BeerAd]

I'm glad you and I finally see eye to eye on something. We don't need more laws, let capitalism solve it. Jesus. People want the government to spoon feed them...

Well, its true. If a place is too smoky for you, DONT GO THERE. To be honest, there were very few times I went to a restaurant and SAT in the smoking section and was bothered by smoke. More legislation ftl...

I remember, when I was a little kid, and there were smoking sections.

I can remember smoking on planes



Didnt you all just curse people who smoke around children? I remember people smoking on planes and it didnt bother me either. Werent you guys just flipping about smoking around kids though? I remember when you could smoke in Wendy's.

[BeerAd]

I am bothered by the smoke standing next to a friend that smokes and just smelling it on them. Bleh, yuck.

Anyways, I do not see loads of Americans freaking out about this minute law. Only you two... and it isn't even about the law, it's about government control. Call me silly, but there are many other things to worry about instead of being paranoid about the government controlling us.

I am sure if it gets to the point of ridiculous control by the government, the people can easily over throw it.

/digging hole

Loads of Americans did flip out about this law. I know about 3 bars who continuously get fined each month because they do not abide by it. I also know restaurant bars that stopped serving food because of it. It was a bad law and should be up to the individual store owner.

[April40]

Loads of Americans did flip out about this law. I know about 3 bars who continuously get fined each month because they do not abide by it. I also know restaurant bars that stopped serving food because of it. It was a bad law and should be up to the individual store owner.

I have not seen a tremendous amount of people or restaurants rebelling over this.

[mikey]

You like SRC being dirty in the south.



We're gonna be dirty in the North come Thursday :hi2u:

[BeerAd]

I have not seen a tremendous amount of people or restaurants rebelling over this.

When did you start smoking?

[April40]

When did you start smoking?

I have never smoked a cig. I see where you are going with this.

[BeerAd]

I have never smoked a cig. I see where you are going with this.

Yeah, I just dont think it ever directly effected your daily life and if it did it would be for the better since you are a nonsmoker.

[HydroSqueegee]

i always find it funny when smokers get upset about this. Why should non smokers have to put up with the smell and nastyness of your addiction? They get up in arms yelling about how its their right to smoke. Sure, feel free, but dont subject others to it that dont want to be around it in a PUBLIC place. You tell us to go somewhere else, but it only takes one person to stink up the next place you go to. Where is our right to breathe fresh air in a public setting? Now its a law because the voters (aka the majority) decided they were sick of it and the only way to stop you people is to have a law in place. So fuck you and your constant bitching about how your rights are being opressed in this democratic nation of majority rule.

[BeerAd]

i always find it funny when smokers get upset about this. Why should non smokers have to put up with the smell and nastyness of your addiction? They get up in arms yelling about how its their right to smoke. Sure, feel free, but dont subject others to it that dont want to be around it in a PUBLIC place. You tell us to go somewhere else, but it only takes one person to stink up the next place you go to. Where is our right to breathe fresh air in a public setting? Now its a law because the voters (aka the majority) decided they were sick of it and the only way to stop you people is to have a law in place. So fuck you and your constant bitching about how your rights are being opressed in this democratic nation of majority rule.

The "Public" places you are talking about are PRIVATELY owned. If you wanna rule out smoking on beach's or in parks feel free. As a store owner you do not have the right to tell MY customer what they can and cannot do, I DO.

[fly]

I have not seen a tremendous amount of people or restaurants rebelling over this.
That's cause the average american is okay as long as they and their 2.5 nasty mouthed kids can piss away hydrocarbons in vehicles way larger than they need. This country reeks of apathy.
i always find it funny when smokers get upset about this. Why should non smokers have to put up with the smell and nastyness of your addiction? They get up in arms yelling about how its their right to smoke. Sure, feel free, but dont subject others to it that dont want to be around it in a PUBLIC place. You tell us to go somewhere else, but it only takes one person to stink up the next place you go to. Where is our right to breathe fresh air in a public setting? Now its a law because the voters (aka the majority) decided they were sick of it and the only way to stop you people is to have a law in place. So fuck you and your constant bitching about how your rights are being opressed in this democratic nation of majority rule.

Define public place. Outside? How the fuck can people bitch about smokers outside?

Inside? Then vote by spending your dollars elsewhere. If enough people stopped spending money at a place, the establishment would rethink their policy. But yet again, people don't want to bother with any sort of personal responsibilty. They'd rather make the government do the work for them. Its fucking sad.

[mikey]

I'm not playing in the arcade til Kwikshot returns.

[BeerAd]

One thing I dont think is clear is how much this DID hurt some businesses. I know that PH Ale House lost most of their regulars because they couldnt smoke while having a beer after work. These are people who go there daily and drop 20/40 bucks on booze. If they had a choice they would have made it a smoking restaurant but thats the point, they had no choice. The "government" chose for them and made them lose many customers and most of their night time crowd. IMO they would still be open if they still had a booming night crowd like they used to.

[b_sinning]

I remember when you could smoke in Wendy's.

At the salad bar!

[Jonny_B]

i remember those mcdonald's ashtrays. they still have them in the UAE. you can smoke in malls there.

[Coqui]

I'm not playing in the arcade til Kwikshot returns.

Blame me. I just said to get rid of all the games you could easily cheat on.

[dbzeag]

Define public place. Outside? How the fuck can people bitch about smokers outside?


Actually, you cannot smoke in the lines in Cedar Point. They are outside.

:shrug:

[April40]

Actually, you cannot smoke in the lines in Cedar Point. They are outside.

:shrug:

I believe Disney is the same way.

[Jonny_B]

they're outside, but within a private park. the park can set whatever rules it wants.

also, there's a fine line between complaining about the government banning smoking in private restuarants, and complaining about the restaurant owner banning smoking in his own restaurant. my problem is with the former, not the latter.

not that it wouldn't be a whole lot easier to quit if they banned smoking. that'd be great. but that doesn't make it right.

[SRC]

Why does it make it wrong? People who smoke clog up the air for the people who don't smoke. I don't see why it make smokers mad that they can't. Why shoulod you be able to in the first place. You can go to the store and buy a beer and drink it .. but you can't just walk around pouring it on people. You'd go to jail for harrassment. Smoking is no different.

[mikey]

Why does it make it wrong? People who smoke clog up the air for the people who don't smoke. I don't see why it make smokers mad that they can't. Why shoulod you be able to in the first place. You can go to the store and buy a beer and drink it .. but you can't just walk around pouring it on people. You'd go to jail for harrassment. Smoking is no different.



It's wrong because smoking is a choice. A choice that the state of Ohio decided for everyone else, Alabama as well it seems. If I wanted to open a restaurant that allows smoking, I own it, I should be able to allow smoking. Until cigarettes and smoking are made illegal, a private enterprise should be allowed to manage it's own smoking rules.

[SRC]

You can .. make it a private establishment and serve more alcohol than food. Somehow I don't think you would have a problem there.

The thing is .. this is coming from the public's voice. No one randomly drew a suggestion out of a hat and so it was decided to ban smoking. The majority of the public complained enough about it over the last prolly 30 years .. and they finally won. That's how this system we have in place works. Majority rules.

[Coqui]

That's cause the average american is okay as long as they and their 2.5 nasty mouthed kids can piss away hydrocarbons in vehicles way larger than they need. This country reeks of apathy.


Define public place. Outside? How the fuck can people bitch about smokers outside?

Inside? Then vote by spending your dollars elsewhere. If enough people stopped spending money at a place, the establishment would rethink their policy. But yet again, people don't want to bother with any sort of personal responsibilty. They'd rather make the government do the work for them. Its fucking sad.

There's been numerous cases all around Ohio where businesses profits went up as soon as smoking stopped.

[Thorn Bird]

there is never going to be a winning side to this because both sides have very valid points. y'all are going to have to agree to disagree methinks.

[SemperFly]

You can .. make it a private establishment and serve more alcohol than food. Somehow I don't think you would have a problem there.

The thing is .. this is coming from the public's voice. No one randomly drew a suggestion out of a hat and so it was decided to ban smoking. The majority of the public complained enough about it over the last prolly 30 years .. and they finally won. That's how this system we have in place works. Majority rules.

And this is why we do not live in a direct democracy. We live in a constitutionally protected representative republic. This means there are certain rights - such as the right to run my business however the hell I damn well please - are not subject to the whims of the mob.

[ChikkenNoodul]

There's been numerous cases all around Ohio where businesses profits went up as soon as smoking stopped.
True, but it's not like non-smokers didn't go to those places when smoking was allowed. That's his point.

[SRC]

And this is why we do not live in a direct democracy. We live in a constitutionally protected representative republic. This means there are certain rights - such as the right to run my business however the hell I damn well please - are not subject to the whims of the mob.


Really .. can all convience stores sell beer all day on Sunday if they want to? No, I didn't think so.

[ChikkenNoodul]

Really .. can all convience stores sell beer all day on Sunday if they want to? No, I didn't think so.

They can in NH. And that should be totally up to the store owners.

I went to a Walmart at 2:00AM, got in the checkout line with a case of ammo and a case of beer - they sold me the ammo but wouldn't sell me the beer so I had to go to the gas station next door.

[mikey]

grrr, nevermind. i lose

[SemperFly]

Really .. can all convience stores sell beer all day on Sunday if they want to? No, I didn't think so.

and you agree with this? :tard:


:heart: but seriously, that's one of the dumbest fucking laws on the books. worse than not being allowed to tie an elephant to a parking meter in tampa

[mikey]

So how is the painting going April?

[dbzeag]

True, but it's not like non-smokers didn't go to those places when smoking was allowed. That's his point.

No, actually that is exactly what DID happen. Lots of places got lots more people that they never saw before.

[mikey]

What kind of paint are you using?

[April40]

So how is the painting going April?

:mad:

What kind of paint are you using?

Obviously not the right kind.

[HydroSqueegee]

The "Public" places you are talking about are PRIVATELY owned. If you wanna rule out smoking on beach's or in parks feel free. As a store owner you do not have the right to tell MY customer what they can and cannot do, I DO.

see, im torn on this issue. Its nice not reaking like smoke, but i feel it should be up to the owners.

[HydroSqueegee]

That's cause the average american is okay as long as they and their 2.5 nasty mouthed kids can piss away hydrocarbons in vehicles way larger than they need. This country reeks of apathy.


Define public place. Outside? How the fuck can people bitch about smokers outside?

Inside? Then vote by spending your dollars elsewhere. If enough people stopped spending money at a place, the establishment would rethink their policy. But yet again, people don't want to bother with any sort of personal responsibilty. They'd rather make the government do the work for them. Its fucking sad.

Why is using the government sad? Its there by and for the people. The elected representatives may be a tab bit on the wealthy side, but they are every day joes too when that suite comes off. The government is there to enact and enforce laws the people and their representatives vote for.

I find it ridiculous that you think ever single non smoker that wants places smoke free should just not go to whatever establishment. Its not going to happen. Those people want to go out and have fun at a bar or a nice meal out just like the smokers. I think its time they just suck it up and deal with the fact no one wants to deal with the stink they generate. Its not their god given right to pollute the air in my vicinity inside or out.

[HydroSqueegee]

There's been numerous cases all around Ohio where businesses profits went up as soon as smoking stopped.

i know i go out more now. And its much more enjoyable.

[HydroSqueegee]

And this is why we do not live in a direct democracy. We live in a constitutionally protected representative republic. This means there are certain rights - such as the right to run my business however the hell I damn well please - are not subject to the whims of the mob.

actually, you are wrong. Mob rule won in this case. ;)

[HydroSqueegee]

True, but it's not like non-smokers didn't go to those places when smoking was allowed. That's his point.

Yes, but now even more non smokers go to those places. I refused to go to bars/clubs because i didnt want to smell like shit when i got out of there. Now i can go, no problem.

[Coqui]

True, but it's not like non-smokers didn't go to those places when smoking was allowed. That's his point.

The fact that profits went up afterwards is indicative that they didn't go there when smoking was allowed.

[Coqui]

Really .. can all convience stores sell beer all day on Sunday if they want to? No, I didn't think so.

There's one in Ohio that can. Hard liquor too.

[April40]

Yes, but now even more non smokers go to those places. I refused to go to bars/clubs because i didnt want to smell like shit when i got out of there. Now i can go, no problem.

I agree. If businesses want to allow smoking, there will always be smokers in there. Therefore, non-smokers who wish to not smell like smoke will not be able to enjoy the business at all.

That leaves non-smokers to hang out at a limited amount of places. Hmpf.

[SRC]

Why is using the government sad? Its there by and for the people. The elected representatives may be a tab bit on the wealthy side, but they are every day joes too when that suite comes off. The government is there to enact and enforce laws the people and their representatives vote for.


Exactly. The government was put in place to act like a parent to a bunch of little children. Sometimes parents have to do things that are good for their children, even when their children may not like it. It's why we have government in the first place.

People have bitched and complained about smoking ever since it started. Now with all the risks of cancer from 2nd hand smoke and the ever increasing amount of people with asthma and allergies to smoke .. the government is starting to listen to all it's people complaining, sueing, and getting sick .. and put a stop to it.

It's the best thing AL gov has done for us since it was begun IMO. They listened to their people, the majority of their people, and they did something about it. People called, emailed, and wrote their congressmen complaining about it .. and they finally stopped it.

The government is riding the fence tho. The non-smokers are happy now, but now the smokers are riled up. Before, it was the other way around.

Fact is .. smokers affect more than just themselves and that's not right. It's a smokers choice to smoke, the rest of us have no other choice but to breathe, and telling us to just stay at home if we don't wanna be around it is asinine.
Businesses allowed smoking because there used to be a lot more smokers. They allowed it to keep from losing business from telling the smokers they couldn't smoke. Now they don't have to worry about it. And they won't lose any business and they won't lose any money because everyone is the same. They will however save money on cleaning bills, furniture replacement costs, repainting costs, air purification bills, ventilation bills, increased consumer traffic, and their insurance rates will go down because of the lowered fire risk. It's a win-win for business owners across the board.

[SemperFly]

Exactly. The government was put in place to act like a parent to a bunch of little children. That people today actually hold this view makes flynavy a very sad boy. :( It's a win-win for business owners across the board.

:p except for that silly little concept called "rights" :nev:

[SRC]

Who gave you those rights? The government did. They alowed it, now they don't. toughs shit. It's their call on whether or not it should be allowed.

The government is just like a parent. Someone has to make the logical decisions. So they lumped a group of ELECTED people together to act in that role. You don't like how it functions .. put your voice out therei (like the non-smokers did) and be heard. Get things changed.

This is like saying a parent shouldn't have the right to tell their child they can't stay out til midnight when they are 16. They live under the parents rule until the move out. Don't like the rules set in place ... the people of this nation set the rules by voting the people who make the rules in office.

Sometimes we have rights that we shouldn't have had in the first place. I happen to think this was one of them. When it affects other people besides yourself adversly .. I don't think it's a "right" anymore it's a priviledge.

[April40]

Uh oh SRC, even I know not to go there.


Stands back for Fly and Flynavy to attack.

[dbzeag]

There's one in Ohio that can. Hard liquor too.

Um, a bit more than that. There are now 5 in Cleveland alone.

[SRC]

Uh oh SRC, even I know not to go there.


Stands back for Fly and Flynavy to attack.

Its my right to have that opinion. And I'm not afraid to state my opinions. I don't care who doesn't like it. It's all of our rights to do so. They can attack all they wants. It won't change my mind, just like I won't change anyone elses. I'm just stating my opinion on the matter, same as everyone else. :shrug:

[April40]

Its my right to have that opinion. And I'm not afraid to state my opinions. I don't care who doesn't like it. It's all of our rights to do so. They can attack all they wants. It won't change my mind, just like I won't change anyone elses. I'm just stating my opinion on the matter, same as everyone else. :shrug:

Oh I understand, but you'll get an earful. :fly:

[SRC]

lol .. I'm just as good at is as they are ;). 4 years on the debate team made me pretty darn good at being able to state my opinion :D

[April40]

lol .. I'm just as good at is as they are ;). 4 years on the debate team made me pretty darn good at being able to state my opinion :D

Oh my, well good luck.

[SemperFly]

no earful from me, you're the milfest milf on this forum so I'm gonna be nice and give up the argument (well, in this thread at least :fly:) but I thank you for reminding me why I own so many guns :lol: :heart:

[SRC]

are you gonna smoke yours guns in restaurants now that you can't smoke a cig :lol:.

sorry .. first thing that popped in my mind .. was a very funny mental image :fly: :heart:

[April40]

no earful from me, you're the milfest milf on this forum so I'm gonna be nice and give up the argument (well, in this thread at least :fly:) but I thank you for reminding me why I own so many guns :lol: :heart:

WTF GIVE HER HELL!!! YOU GUYS GIVE ME HELL!!!

[Thorn Bird]

WTF GIVE HER HELL!!! YOU GUYS GIVE ME HELL!!!

you aren't a milf. neener neener.

[April40]

you aren't a milf. neener neener.

Thank god.

[SemperFly]

you aren't a milf. neener neener.

seriously, I like freckly milfs :fly: have a kid, ape

[SRC]

WTF GIVE HER HELL!!! YOU GUYS GIVE ME HELL!!!


:nev:

[mikey]

no earful from me, you're the milfest milf on this forum so I'm gonna be nice and give up the argument (well, in this thread at least :fly:) but I thank you for reminding me why I own so many guns :lol: :heart:

i get to see her tomorrow :drool:

[April40]

seriously, I like freckly milfs :fly: have a kid, ape

Ehhh... I'd rather drink more grease.

[ChikkenNoodul]

Yes, but now even more non smokers go to those places. I refused to go to bars/clubs because i didnt want to smell like shit when i got out of there. Now i can go, no problem.

Missed it again.


His point was, people should vote with their wallets - it's indicative that smoking in bars wasn't THAT bad for business since the places did not go defunct before it was outlawed.

I don't think anyone is disagreeing that profits went UP afterwards.

[w_a_w]

I agree. If businesses want to allow smoking, there will always be smokers in there. Therefore, non-smokers who wish to not smell like smoke will not be able to enjoy the business at all.

That leaves non-smokers to hang out at a limited amount of places. Hmpf.

that's the same thing you're doing to smokers and it's somehow ok when the tables are turned? :p

[April40]

that's the same thing you're doing to smokers and it's somehow ok when the tables are turned? :p

Well of course it is okay, this is the healthy way.

[w_a_w]

Well of course it is okay, this is the healthy way.

this has already been beaten to death but places/owners should have the right to determine these things on their own, not be forced via "feel good legislation" that comes from a bunch of over protective bitchy mommies

:beatit:

[April40]

this has already been beaten to death but places/owners should have the right to determine these things on their own, not be forced via "feel good legislation" that comes from a bunch of over protective bitchy mommies

:beatit:

That is just blah blah blah to excuse yourself to be unhealthy and make the others around you breathe that gunk in.

[Thorn Bird]

this has already been beaten to death but places/owners should have the right to determine these things on their own, not be forced via "feel good legislation" that comes from a bunch of over protective bitchy mommies

:beatit:

what kind of mommy would a woman be if she didn't say a word about her child in an unhealthy setting?

[SRC]

That is just blah blah blah to excuse yourself to be unhealthy and make the others around you breathe that gunk in.

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h203/Sexxieracerchik4/Miscellaneous/SMILIES/h1.gif

[Coqui]

that's the same thing you're doing to smokers and it's somehow ok when the tables are turned? :p


Not true. A smoker can go anywehre they please. Just when they feel they have a need for a cigarette, they need to be outside 25 feet from the exit.

A non smoker would have to be gone much longer than that to be in the same place if smoking was allowed.

[ChikkenNoodul]

Should we ban smelly people too then? Governmentally mandate showers and deodorant?

[b_sinning]

Smoking is an option breathing is not.

[w_a_w]

That is just blah blah blah to excuse yourself to be unhealthy and make the others around you breathe that gunk in.

no, I don't smoke in places it is not permitted and I don't have a problem with it

where this becomes a problem is legislating right and wrong...strip clubs and booze could be considered socially cancerous in the same manner that cigs are potentially physically cancerous...should we ban those too?

[Coqui]

Should we ban smelly people too then? Governmentally mandate showers and deodorant?

Is there a long term health risk posed by smelly people?

[Coqui]

no, I don't smoke in places it is not permitted and I don't have a problem with it

where this becomes a problem is legislating right and wrong...strip clubs and booze could be considered socially cancerous in the same manner that cigs are potentially physically cancerous...should we ban those too?

They're trying to in Ohio (the Strip clubs) and the alcohol is heavily regulated in the US already.

[w_a_w]

what kind of mommy would a woman be if she didn't say a word about her child in an unhealthy setting?

don't take your kid to a place that allows smoking...pretty simple concept

[Coqui]

don't take your kid to a place that allows smoking...pretty simple concept

So don't eat out at a restaurant at all?

[SRC]

no, I don't smoke in places it is not permitted and I don't have a problem with it

where this becomes a problem is legislating right and wrong...strip clubs and booze could be considered socially cancerous in the same manner that cigs are potentially physically cancerous...should we ban those too?

The problems is .. I can't give You cancer by going to a strip club. I also can't give you liver cancer by drinking a beer. You have to do it to yourself. Smokers do it to everyone.

[April40]

no, I don't smoke in places it is not permitted and I don't have a problem with it

where this becomes a problem is legislating right and wrong...strip clubs and booze could be considered socially cancerous in the same manner that cigs are potentially physically cancerous...should we ban those too?

They have at least here. Strippers have to wear pasties where alcohol is present. :O

Haven't you smokers seen how it is the cigarette company owning you? They purposefully made you addicted to the sticks.

[b_sinning]

Pasties are so wrong. I say let everyone smoke and ban pasties.

[w_a_w]

The problems is .. I can't give You cancer by going to a strip club. I also can't give you liver cancer by drinking a beer. You have to do it to yourself. Smokers do it to everyone.

second hand smoke has never been proven definitively to cause cancer

[ChikkenNoodul]

Is there a long term health risk posed by smelly people?

Yes, I might strangle them.

[Coqui]

They have at least here. Strippers have to wear pasties where alcohol is present. :O

Topless here is allowed, full nudity is barred from places with alcohol.

[w_a_w]

They have at least here. Strippers have to wear pasties where alcohol is present. :O

Haven't you smokers seen how it is the cigarette company owning you? They purposefully made you addicted to the sticks.

people have been smoking tobacco for 1000's of years

[Coqui]

Yes, I might strangle them.

But how is you strangling them a health risk to you from their smell?

[SRC]

people have been smoking tobacco for 1000's of years

Yeah .. so what. Doesn't mean everyone should have to. You're addicted to cigs .. that's your fault, not the governments. They didn't make you smoke them. Neither did we. You can function just fine without them. You don't need them to survive. They are a legal pleasure product, like caffine.


http://www.cancer.org/docroot/PED/content/PED_10_2X_Secondhand_Smoke-Clean_Indoor_Air.asp

[w_a_w]

Yeah .. so what. Doesn't mean everyone should have to. You're addicted to cigs .. that's your fault, not the governments. They didn't make you smoke them. Neither did we. You can function just fine without them. You don't need them to survive. They are a legal pleasure product, like caffine.


http://www.cancer.org/docroot/PED/content/PED_10_2X_Secondhand_Smoke-Clean_Indoor_Air.asp

read it and weep :p
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/000602.html

[wanko80]

second hand smoke has never been proven definitively to cause cancer
Has it been proven to not cause cancer?

[SRC]

read it and weep :p


Secondhand smoke can be harmful in many ways. In the United States alone, each year it is responsible for:

an estimated 35,000 deaths from heart disease in people who live with smokers but are not current smokers

about 3,400 lung cancer deaths in nonsmoking adults

other respiratory problems in nonsmokers, including coughing, phlegm, chest discomfort, and reduced lung function

150,000 to 300,000 lower respiratory tract infections (such as pneumonia and bronchitis) in children younger than 18 months of age, which result in 7,500 to 15,000 hospitalizations

increases in the number and severity of asthma attacks in about 200,000 to 1 million asthmatic children

increased incidence of middle ear infections in young children I can attest to this .. mine has had 4 sets of tubes because he's allergic and his nana wont' stopsmoking around him.

Pregnant women exposed to ETS are also at increased risk of having low birth weight babies.

An issue that continues to be an active focus of scientific research is whether secondhand smoke may increase the risk of breast cancer. Both mainstream and secondhand smoke contain about 20 chemicals that, in high concentrations, cause breast cancer in rodents. Chemicals in tobacco smoke reach breast tissue and are found in breast milk.

[w_a_w]

Secondhand smoke can be harmful in many ways. In the United States alone, each year it is responsible for:

an estimated 35,000 deaths from heart disease in people who live with smokers but are not current smokers

about 3,400 lung cancer deaths in nonsmoking adults

other respiratory problems in nonsmokers, including coughing, phlegm, chest discomfort, and reduced lung function

150,000 to 300,000 lower respiratory tract infections (such as pneumonia and bronchitis) in children younger than 18 months of age, which result in 7,500 to 15,000 hospitalizations

increases in the number and severity of asthma attacks in about 200,000 to 1 million asthmatic children

increased incidence of middle ear infections in young children I can attest to this .. mine has had 4 sets of tubes because he's allergic and his nana wont' stopsmoking around him.

Pregnant women exposed to ETS are also at increased risk of having low birth weight babies.

An issue that continues to be an active focus of scientific research is whether secondhand smoke may increase the risk of breast cancer. Both mainstream and secondhand smoke contain about 20 chemicals that, in high concentrations, cause breast cancer in rodents. Chemicals in tobacco smoke reach breast tissue and are found in breast milk.


read the article

[April40]

people have been smoking tobacco for 1000's of years

Not several packs a day like the tobacco companies have practically enforced people to.

[w_a_w]

Has it been proven to not cause cancer?

has it been proven that jesus doesn't live on pluto?

[w_a_w]

Not several packs a day like the tobacco companies have practically enforced people to.

I smoke because I like it...no one is "enforcing" me to :p
and for what it's worth, I smoke about 1/2 a pack a day up to a pack if I'm out drinking

[SRC]

read the article

I did read the article.

For years the tobacco industry denied any link between active smoking and lung cancer in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary, so you have to wonder when they make the same claim now about passive smoke.

[ChikkenNoodul]

But how is you strangling them a health risk to you from their smell?

Because I would go to jail and end up with AIDS since I'm a scrawny white boy.

[April40]

We are not going to debate that cigs are not bad for you are we? Come on now, thats ridiculous.

[Coqui]

second hand smoke has never been proven definitively to cause cancer

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2053840.stm

Dr Kurt Straif, who organised the IARC meeting, said the group examined 50 studies examining the link between passive smoking and cancer.

Speaking to BBC News Online, he added: "This is the first time that a global organisation has concluded that exposure to second hand smoke is linked to cancer."

One of the experts, Sir Richard Doll, said: "Environmental tobacco smoke that people experience at work or at home is definitely a cause of lung cancer.

"That has been discussed for a long time but this is the first time a group of independent scientists have reviewed all the evidence and said there is no question it is a cause of lung cancer."

[Thorn Bird]

don't take your kid to a place that allows smoking...pretty simple concept

So don't eat out at a restaurant at all?

exaaaaaaaaaaaaaactly.

i don't know what the correct answer is here. both sides have valid arguments. i know that i PREFER no smoking in places. but i don't know who's got the right. i DO know that if you want to win, get a bunch of overprotective mommies on your side. you'll never know a more aggressive fighter than a mom trying to get something for her kid.

[April40]

I smoke because I like it...no one is "enforcing" me to :p
and for what it's worth, I smoke about 1/2 a pack a day up to a pack if I'm out drinking

Of course they are making you smoke, you are addicted. You cannot stop smoking today if you wanted to, the need for a cig will be there.

That is control, imo.

[w_a_w]

I did read the article.

For years the tobacco industry denied any link between active smoking and lung cancer in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary, so you have to wonder when they make the same claim now about passive smoke.

it's possible it does but it is certainly not proven and given that the epa had to fudge the numbers to make it seem like a concrete problem, it makes it look pretty bad

[Coqui]

Because I would go to jail and end up with AIDS since I'm a scrawny white boy.

Then you aren't good enough at getting away with it.

[SRC]

Telling someone to go somewhere that doesn't allow smoking (in a city that still allows all places to allow it) is like telling someone to go to a restaurant that doesn't allow you to drink water.

All restaurants had a smoking section in Birmingham before the ban .. so that means if you didn't want your kids cooped up with it .. you could never take them anywhere. So, someone who is polluting the air should have the right to go where they please and make the non smokers (who are simply breathing air) suffer?

As I stated before .. smoking is an addiciton .. so what gives an addicted person rights over people who aren't?

[ChikkenNoodul]

We are not going to debate that cigs are not bad for you are we? Come on now, thats ridiculous.

I know, the thought that shoving leaves in your mouth and lighting them on fire could possible be good for you is ridiculous. :fly:

[w_a_w]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2053840.stm

the epa are supposed to be experts as well and they had to run a shell game on the numbers to make anything stick

[April40]

I know, the thought that shoving leaves in your mouth and lighting them on fire could possible be good for you is ridiculous. :fly:

Needs more whiskey!

[w_a_w]

We are not going to debate that cigs are not bad for you are we? Come on now, thats ridiculous.

I'm certainly not claiming that, no

[SRC]

the epa are supposed to be experts as well and they had to run a shell game on the numbers to make anything stick

yea, just like the cig companies doing the same thing to say smoking didn't cause cancer.

[wanko80]

has it been proven that jesus doesn't live on pluto?
If Jesus were ever linked to Pluto, then that would be valid. Since cigarettes have long been linked to cancer, my statement is valid while yours is just nonsensical.

[ChikkenNoodul]

As I stated before .. smoking is an addiciton .. so what gives an addicted person rights over people who aren't?
It's not about the smoker's rights, it's about the owner of the establishment's rights to choose to allow smoking on their premises or not.

[w_a_w]

Telling someone to go somewhere that doesn't allow smoking (in a city that still allows all places to allow it) is like telling someone to go to a restaurant that doesn't allow you to drink water.

All restaurants had a smoking section in Birmingham before the ban .. so that means if you didn't want your kids cooped up with it .. you could never take them anywhere. So, someone who is polluting the air should have the right to go where they please and make the non smokers (who are simply breathing air) suffer?

As I stated before .. smoking is an addiciton .. so what gives an addicted person rights over people who aren't?

you keep missing the point entirely...owners of establishments should have the right to do what they want with their private enterprise