wtf...someone just got shot in our building

[w_a_w]

holy fucking hell...my heart is in my throat...I was just downstairs in our foodcourt and someone fucking opened fire and shot some people

[FlamingGlory]

Is it on CNN yet?

[wanko80]

that's crazy. I take it you weren't hit?

[KNYTE]

pics or shens

[w_a_w]

2 people shot, 1 in the face...they got the guy
the story is already running on cnn and headline

[Valve1080i]

Holy crap!

edit: They're shoing the dead people on tv.

edit2: n/m it's the suspects. Maybe we'll get to see some police brutality.

[ERage]

Is it on CNN yet?

:lol: +rep

[Valve1080i]

w_a_w, you could soo milk this into an extended paid leave.

[Dharma1521]

holy fucking hell...my heart is in my throat...I was just downstairs in our foodcourt and someone fucking opened fire and shot some people

Where do you work again?

[w_a_w]

Where do you work again?

cnn

[Dharma1521]

cnn

Holy Jazz hands Jesus. Sorry dude.

[Valve1080i]

Who's the pretty blonde anchor? She new?

[KNYTE]

holy fucking hell...my heart is in my throat...I was just downstairs in our foodcourt and someone fucking opened fire and shot some people

So wait...did you actually SEE the shooting?

[Dharma1521]

I'm glad that your ok :heart:

[dbzeag]

The news happens IN CNN and they can't broadcast it well. It's the first time they have ever had the inside scoop... literally.

:heart:


I am glad you are doing ok. I hope it works out and they didn't hurt your Z06. You can do that on your own later :heart:

[Thorn Bird]

thank god you are posting. i JUST saw it on the tv and thought of you, theac and ryo. i was very worried!!!!!!!!!!!

[w_a_w]

So wait...did you actually SEE the shooting?

no, I was about 100ft away and everyone just started running in every direction out of sheer panic...craziness

[SpyderGST]

Wow. I saw the police helis over the cnn center from our building and wondered what was going on.

Glad to hear you're ok. I thought about you when I saw the news.

[Thorn Bird]

chris, i hope you get to go home and chill out. :heart:

[HydroSqueegee]

Blasted useless droids! Now i must postpone my plan to assume W_A_W's life... :mad:

[w_a_w]

Blasted useless droids! Now i must postpone my plan to assume W_A_W's life... :mad:

:lol:

[April40]

That's Atlanta for you. :shifty:

[Thorn Bird]

theac's ok, and i'm assuming ryokurin's not even at work yet...as far as i know, he's got a later shift. i hope that's the case.

[fly]

Sweet fucking jesus. Did you get phone cam pics of the ULTRA KILL???

[inline4]

Charles Williams, who works in technology services for Turner, saw a man dragging a woman by the hair one level above where the shooting occurred. The man told him to get out of the way. Williams went to get a guard, and then saw the man apparently take the woman downstairs. He heard gunshots less than a minute later.

WTF.. Who the hell watches a lady get DRAGGED by her hair and does NOTHING about it. Say something, Tackle the asshole, get a few co-workers and beat the shit out of him.. WAW go find this asshole and beat the shit out of him for being a bitch.

Glad your ok. ^---the indifference of "good" men.. Comeon.

[w_a_w]

Charles Williams, who works in technology services for Turner, saw a man dragging a woman by the hair one level above where the shooting occurred. The man told him to get out of the way. Williams went to get a guard, and then saw the man apparently take the woman downstairs. He heard gunshots less than a minute later.

WTF.. Who the hell watches a lady get DRAGGED by her hair and does NOTHING about it. Say something, Tackle the asshole, get a few co-workers and beat the shit out of him.. WAW go find this asshole and beat the shit out of him for being a bitch.

Glad your ok. ^---the indifference of "good" men.. Comeon.

I actually know that guy too :fly:

[Candy]

Was this an employee? WTF? I'm glad you're OK - I saw you on AIM but I didn;t want to bother you in case you were um, busy.

[w_a_w]

Was this an employee? WTF? I'm glad you're OK - I saw you on AIM but I didn;t want to bother you in case you were um, busy.

no employees were involved...it was a domestic dispute apparently

[w_a_w]

wow, someone died :(

[Dysfunctional]

Charles Williams, who works in technology services for Turner, saw a man dragging a woman by the hair one level above where the shooting occurred. The man told him to get out of the way. Williams went to get a guard, and then saw the man apparently take the woman downstairs. He heard gunshots less than a minute later.

WTF.. Who the hell watches a lady get DRAGGED by her hair and does NOTHING about it. Say something, Tackle the asshole, get a few co-workers and beat the shit out of him.. WAW go find this asshole and beat the shit out of him for being a bitch.

Glad your ok. ^---the indifference of "good" men.. Comeon.

That is very true. But the age of chivalry is dead; it died with feminism. Moreover, the good Samaritan is now a chump who could be in for the lawsuit of his/her life. Just look at the people who reported the wacky behavior of the Muslims getting on the plane... CARE has filed suit against them.

[inline4]

That is very true. But the age of chivalry is dead; it died with feminism. Moreover, the good Samaritan is now a chump who could be in for the lawsuit of his/her life. Just look at the people who reported the wacky behavior of the Muslims getting on the plane... CARE has filed suit against them.

I dont disagree with what you say, but that doesnt make it right. I'd gladly take the consequences of my actions if those actions involved helping someone who was being beaten, or abused in front of me. I've done it before and i would do it again. You never know if your saving a life or not. In this case this prick could have saved a life but instead he ran away to go tell "MOMMY AND DADDY". Grow some balls, and that coming from me says alot. If someone wants to sue me because i stopped them from beating on their wife/girlfriend or if they want to press charges for assault then by all means go ahead. I'll still be able to sleep just fine at night.

[dbzeag]

I actually know that guy too :fly:

Then you know where to find him and beat him.

[w_a_w]

I dont disagree with what you say, but that doesnt make it right. I'd gladly take the consequences of my actions if those actions involved helping someone who was being beaten, or abused in front of me. I've done it before and i would do it again. You never know if your saving a life or not. In this case this prick could have saved a life but instead he ran away to go tell "MOMMY AND DADDY". Grow some balls, and that coming from me says alot. If someone wants to sue me because i stopped them from beating on their wife/girlfriend or if they want to press charges for assault then by all means go ahead. I'll still be able to sleep just fine at night.

it likely would have also gotten him shot in this case :\

[Jonny_B]

holy crap. that's heavy.

[SRC]

no employees were involved...it was a domestic dispute apparently

Gotta love people who bring their personal shit into everyone elses lives. Assholes.

Coulda shot that bitch at home .. and not scared the ever loving piss out of everyone else.

Glad you're ok though. I would have probably had a heart attack :lol:. I'm jumpy sometimes lol.

[inline4]

it likely would have also gotten him shot in this case :\

i s'pose if he's a big enough pansy to run and tell someone instead of do something about it he probably would have wet himself if he did confront them. How could an entire building full of people not do ANYTHING about something like that. Society dissapoints me :(

Nobody likes me, everybody hates me, guess i'll just go goth. w00t.. who has black nail polish and lipstick i can borrow?

[April40]

i s'pose if he's a big enough pansy to run and tell someone instead of do something about it he probably would have wet himself if he did confront them. How could an entire building full of people not do ANYTHING about something like that. Society dissapoints me :(

Nobody likes me, everybody hates me, guess i'll just go goth. w00t.. who has black nail polish and lipstick i can borrow?

Whatever you are not that tough.

[inline4]

Whatever you are not that tough.

I never claimed to be tough but i certainly don't stand around and watch while some asshole beats a female. I'd rather get the shit kicked out of me while they run away to find help then let them get hit.

Whatever... Just how i was brought up i 'spose..

Now, if you continue talking to me like that i'll give you a second black eye.. you want that.. Matching black eyes.

What do you call a women with a black eye?
a bad listner

What do you tell a women with two black eyes?
Nothing, you've already told her twice.

I killme.

[April40]

I never claimed to be tough but i certainly don't stand around and watch while some asshole beats a female. I'd rather get the shit kicked out of me while they run away to find help then let them get hit.

Whatever... Just how i was brought up i 'spose..

Now, if you continue talking to me like that i'll give you a second black eye.. you want that.. Matching black eyes.

What do you call a women with a black eye?
a bad listner

What do you tell a women with two black eyes?
Nothing, you've already told her twice.

I killme.

See there you go trying to play tough by using decade old jokes.

I'm more fearful of your closet full of shoes (I'm assuming I'm right) than I am of your wanna be mean disposition.

[Sarcasmo]

I think Inline is inferring that w_a_w is a massive pussy. Forum drama++

[inline4]

See there you go trying to play tough by using decade old jokes.

I'm more fearful of your closet full of shoes (I'm assuming I'm right) than I am of your wanna be mean disposition.


I dont' have a closet full of shoes.. Lets see shall we.

2 pairs of dress shoes (brown and black)
1 pair of casual dress shoes (Doc Martins on clearance.. W00T)
1 pair red suede sketchers (rock on)
1 pair Kenneth cole sneakers (these are great with some light blue jeans
2 pairs running shoes
3 pairs flip flops
2 pairs slippers
2 pairs Riding Boots
2 pair work shoes (read: pouring iron)
3 pairs of Rollerblades (do these count)

Please also take into account my feet have been size 8.5 since i was in 7th grade and my shoes last forever. OMG I HAVE ALOT OF SHOES!! WTF

I almost left out the fuzzy slippers - damn those things are awesome.

Hey WAW.. is this guy really that much of a pansy in real life?

[BeerAd]

Holy shit man, glad you are ok, VACATION TIME!!!!!!!!

To bad if you come to Tampa its worse, you just kinda dodge bullets walking down the street, muahahah

[KNYTE]

Oh, I'd like to take a second to point out that this is another one of those situations that give me a reason to want to have CCW.

[Dysfunctional]

Since we know somebody got shot... we can safely assume that the guy dragging his bitch had a piece.

Confronting him means you would be dead.

If you were carrying, maybe not. But, I also assume that the guy dragging the bitch figured that nobody in the CNN building would be packing - not even the security guards.

Sort of like the same reason that mass killers prefer gun free zones to do their shooting.

[Sarcasmo]

Holy shit man, glad you are ok, VACATION TIME!!!!!!!!

To bad if you come to Tampa its worse, you just kinda dodge bullets walking down the street, muahahah

Those are insects, not bullets.

Florida ftl

[KNYTE]

Since we know somebody got shot... we can safely assume that the guy dragging his bitch had a piece.

Confronting him means you would be dead.

If you were carrying, maybe not. But, I also assume that the guy dragging the bitch figured that nobody in the CNN building would be packing - not even the security guards.

Sort of like the same reason that mass killers prefer gun free zones to do their shooting.

This is why I take the stance of observe and call the police first, act only if I have to.

[w_a_w]

i s'pose if he's a big enough pansy to run and tell someone instead of do something about it he probably would have wet himself if he did confront them. How could an entire building full of people not do ANYTHING about something like that. Society dissapoints me :(

Nobody likes me, everybody hates me, guess i'll just go goth. w00t.. who has black nail polish and lipstick i can borrow?

he actually might have saved a few lives by getting the armed guard on the case right away

[April40]

I dont' have a closet full of shoes.. Lets see shall we.

2 pairs of dress shoes (brown and black)
1 pair of casual dress shoes (Doc Martins on clearance.. W00T)
1 pair red suede sketchers (rock on)
1 pair Kenneth cole sneakers (these are great with some light blue jeans
2 pairs running shoes
3 pairs flip flops
2 pairs slippers
2 pairs Riding Boots
2 pair work shoes (read: pouring iron)
3 pairs of Rollerblades (do these count)

Please also take into account my feet have been size 8.5 since i was in 7th grade and my shoes last forever. OMG I HAVE ALOT OF SHOES!! WTF

I almost left out the fuzzy slippers - damn those things are awesome.

Hey WAW.. is this guy really that much of a pansy in real life?

You have twice as many shoes than I have. That should say something.

[w_a_w]

Oh, I'd like to take a second to point out that this is another one of those situations that give me a reason to want to have CCW.

I'm at work, it wouldn't have mattered if I had a ccw

[KNYTE]

You have twice as many shoes than I have. That should say something.

I have a pair of dress shoes, a pair of boots, and a pair of sneakers.

But I have like 4 gun holsters.

[wanko80]

But I have like 4 gun holsters.
You should get one quad gun holster. It's like adding 4 testicles and 4 inches to your manliness.

[Fat Burger]

Wow, that's crazy. You should definitely demand time off for emotional distress.

[BeerAd]

Those are insects, not bullets.

Florida ftl

or gators, dam gators

[w_a_w]

holy crap! they just said the woman worked here

[Ryokurin]

holy crap! they just said the woman worked here

There is a counseling email in your inbox. They were pretty quick on that.

[w_a_w]

There is a counseling email in your inbox. They were pretty quick on that.

yar, saw that a few mins ago

[Sarcasmo]

Unless she was blonde with fake tits I don't think your supervisor will buy the emotional distress routine.

[KNYTE]

Unless she was blonde with fake tits I don't think your supervisor will buy the emotional distress routine.

Best. Post. Ever.

+rep given

[Ryokurin]

Its kind of surreal when you read an article online and you know every person mentioned in it. If she did work here, chances are high that I know who it is because of where it was.

[FlamingGlory]

Charles Williams, who works in technology services for Turner, saw a man dragging a woman by the hair one level above where the shooting occurred. The man told him to get out of the way. Williams went to get a guard, and then saw the man apparently take the woman downstairs. He heard gunshots less than a minute later.

WTF.. Who the hell watches a lady get DRAGGED by her hair and does NOTHING about it. Say something, Tackle the asshole, get a few co-workers and beat the shit out of him.. WAW go find this asshole and beat the shit out of him for being a bitch.

Glad your ok. ^---the indifference of "good" men.. Comeon.
:lol: This from the guy who cant be "brash", and accused me of being the type of person who starts wars, and crime etc. http://uselessforums.com/showpost.php?p=340200

Hypocrisy.

Don't say what someone else should do until you're there.

[w_a_w]

Unless she was blonde with fake tits I don't think your supervisor will buy the emotional distress routine.

:lol:

Its kind of surreal when you read an article online and you know every person mentioned in it. If she did work here, chances are high that I know who it is because of where it was.

later updates have said she worked at the hotel

[wanko80]

later updates have said she worked at the hotel
We should all weep when prostitutes are killed. They provide such a valuable service.

[moose]

Is it on CNN yet?

ahahahaha

i was waiting for that

[Onnotangu]

Blasted useless droids! Now i must postpone my plan to assume W_A_W's life... :mad:
this is what you get for using the C3po series. next time use the HK-47 series of droid.
http://www.rollespilcentralen.dk/feature/images/spilpriser/hk47.jpg

[SRC]

You may hear of another shooting in the near future. Stay tuned :lol:

[w_a_w]

You may hear of another shooting in the near future. Stay tuned :lol:

:confused:

[SRC]

At MY office.

[w_a_w]

At MY office.

ah, i c

[plot]

ploy to boost CNN's ratings?

"BREAKING NEWS YOU CAN ONLY GET HERE! IN OUR LOBBY! OF OUR OWN BUILDING..."

did they allow other news stations in?

[Ryokurin]

There were local stations, but its the typical 'man on the street' fare. One was actually still across the street today probably for a follow up for the afternoon news.

I figure that if there was possible they would have tried to avoid the fact that it was here. Remember the courthouse shootings a few years ago? The courthouse is literally a block from here, and the parking deck he hid in is controlled by us and is directly across the street. I doubt it was ever mentioned once how close it was to here.

[elpmis]

See, if you had titled your thread: "Someone was shot in Atlanta" no one would have read your thread because Atlanta is totally the fucking ghetto and people are shot in your dreadful city every day.

[Ryokurin]

If you don't live here you cant talk. Its not as bad as people make it out to be and there are plenty of cities that are worse. It has improved a bunch since 2004.

[w_a_w]

If you don't live here you cant talk. Its not as bad as people make it out to be and there are plenty of cities that are worse. It has improved a bunch since 2004.

he lives in the DC area so I'm guessing there's some sarcasm in there since that area has insane amounts of crime

[Onnotangu]

If you don't live here you cant talk. Its not as bad as people make it out to be and there are plenty of cities that are worse. It has improved a bunch since 2004.
now you know how I feel eevrytime someone bitches about Detroit.

[ChikkenNoodul]

Boston is a bloodstained warzone if you listen to the local news :rolleyes:

[Onnotangu]

Boston is a bloodstained warzone if you listen to the local news :rolleyes:
Look boston can't say shit after that debacle about the ATHF sign.:fly:

[dbzeag]

Cleveland is number one in crime in the country for metropolitan places. I don't want to hear it from you safe little suburbs called Atlanta or Detroit.

[SRC]

Birmingham has Cleveland beat .. and ATL is above us. It's funny though, because you don't see too much of it, unless you are out late at night (like, after 3am).

These break it down by amount of people in a city.
http://www.morganquitno.com/cit06pop.htm#CITIES

I did miss probabaly being involved in a drive-by by about 10 -15 minutes though. I took the shortcut around traffic and dipped through North Bham Saturday on my way home. There were prolly 30 police cars (police station was 1 block down from the scene) and about 400 bullets (all nicely marked with little, numbered, white cards) in a gas station parking lot. Store had no windows, neither did any of the cars sitting in the parking lot, and there were ambulances rolling in from all directions.

What's sad is the elementary school is 1 block up, and a church is right across the street. Stupid people.

[plot]

There were local stations, but its the typical 'man on the street' fare. One was actually still across the street today probably for a follow up for the afternoon news.

I figure that if there was possible they would have tried to avoid the fact that it was here. Remember the courthouse shootings a few years ago? The courthouse is literally a block from here, and the parking deck he hid in is controlled by us and is directly across the street. I doubt it was ever mentioned once how close it was to here.

If they would have let Fox in, they would've probably found the WMD in CNN's basement.

[Ryokurin]

People look at me like I'm crazy when I say that theres some parts of my hometown that I'm more afraid of being in than in Atlanta. My hometown is a mid sized population 90,000 area of Alabama btw. I find that most people in Atlanta tend to leave you alone if you look like you wont put up with it, while in smaller areas everyone has to prove that they are hard, because everyone knows who they are. Yes in Atlanta, I'm much more likely to run into the scum of the earth, but the chances of them actually causing a disturbance for a rep is a little bit lower than Florence.

[FlamingGlory]

Birmingham has Cleveland beat .. and ATL is above us. It's funny though, because you don't see too much of it, unless you are out late at night (like, after 3am).

These break it down by amount of people in a city.
http://www.morganquitno.com/cit06pop.htm#CITIES

I did miss probabaly being involved in a drive-by by about 10 -15 minutes though. I took the shortcut around traffic and dipped through North Bham Saturday on my way home. There were prolly 30 police cars (police station was 1 block down from the scene) and about 400 bullets (all nicely marked with little, numbered, white cards) in a gas station parking lot. Store had no windows, neither did any of the cars sitting in the parking lot, and there were ambulances rolling in from all directions.

What's sad is the elementary school is 1 block up, and a church is right across the street. Stupid people.
Eh, gun are the least of your worries.

Most violent crime is committed by acquaintences or relatives of the victim. Most people who use a gun the commission of a violent crime are black and under 25 (18% compared to 15% of Hispanics and 12% of whites). The victims of crimes involving firearms are mostly male. Most criminals who use firearms are recidivists.

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/fuo.pdf


So you just have to be careful if you are 1) Male, 2) know people who are convicted criminals, 3) Black, and even then only 46% result in death.

[eileenbunny]

You have twice as many shoes than I have. That should say something.

We need to get you to a shoe store?

See, if you had titled your thread: "Someone was shot in Atlanta" no one would have read your thread because Atlanta is totally the fucking ghetto and people are shot in your dreadful city every day.

Uhm, you live near Baltimore right?


Glad all you CNN people are okay. Sorry you had such a disturbing day. :(

[elpmis]

he lives in the DC area so I'm guessing there's some sarcasm in there since that area has insane amounts of crime

exactly

[elpmis]

Uhm, you live near Baltimore right?


exactly

[w_a_w]

We need to get you to a shoe store?



Uhm, you live near Baltimore right?


Glad all you CNN people are okay. Sorry you had such a disturbing day. :(

lol @ 1st comment

and <3 to the other 2

[ChikkenNoodul]

Eh, gun are the least of your worries.

Most violent crime is committed by acquaintences or relatives of the victim. Most people who use a gun the commission of a violent crime are black and under 25 (18% compared to 15% of Hispanics and 12% of whites). The victims of crimes involving firearms are mostly male. Most criminals who use firearms are recidivists.

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/fuo.pdf


So you just have to be careful if you are 1) Male, 2) know people who are convicted criminals, 3) Black, and even then only 46% result in death.
And what the news ALWAYS fails to report around here, is that the bullet receivers are not exactly 'innocent bystanders' in most of the cases.

[Dysfunctional]

I just saw a news blurb about a young woman shot in Washington State. The two newsie, info-babe attorneys, argued that women need to be able to sue the police to get better protection on restraining orders. Nobody else was quizzed about any alternatives or the actual cost of assigning each female a personal 24 hour cop. It just no longer comes to fore in any public discourse that a woman should be allowed, in fact encouraged, to get a firearm and some training under such circumstances.

On another note:

Iraq's violent death rate in 2006 was 56.49 per 100,000 residents (16,273 deaths, and a population per Wiki of 28,807,000).

Record US murder rates for two key cities:
- Washington, DC - 1991; 83.1 (482 murders; population 598,000)
- Atlanta, GA - 1973; 57.7 (271 murders; population 470,000)

My personal projection for Baltimore in 2007 is a murder rate per 100,000 residents of about 47.

My point here is not to diminish Iraq (there are many factors, including comparing a country to a city), rather to point out that our cities are simply not safe... not safe at all.

[KNYTE]

Everyone should be responsible for their own personal protection.

That's what the term PERSONAL protection freaking means.

[w_a_w]

Everyone should be responsible for their own personal protection.

That's what the term PERSONAL protection freaking means.

the woman was at work when this happened...you can't bring guns to work as far as I'm aware

[Sarcasmo]

I'm still trying to figure out why so many handicapped spaces are needed at every store. I haven't even gotten to murder yet. :yikes:

[KNYTE]

the woman was at work when this happened...you can't bring guns to work as far as I'm aware

Personal protection does not necessarily mean firearms. From what I gathered from the story it seemed like the woman knew she had a problem. Had she been actively thinking she would've gone straight to somewhere safe, to building security, to the police, or done SOMETHING. Instead she walked into a crowded area full people not trained to do anything to help her.

[Sarcasmo]

This is why I only hang out at EMT/SWAT conferences.

[KNYTE]

This is why I only hang out at EMT/SWAT conferences.

omg ruthless is that you???

[FlamingGlory]

the woman was at work when this happened...you can't bring guns to work as far as I'm aware

Well technically, it depends on the state, who you work for, and your own preference.

It's too bad for her but it wasnt exactly random IIRC.

[Sarcasmo]

I wonder what I would have done if some guy brushed past me dragging a woman by the hair and holding a gun. "Move out the way, pimpin'."

I probably would have just said "lol black people" and kept going.

[KNYTE]

Well technically, it depends on the state, who you work for, and your own preference.

It's too bad for her but it wasnt exactly random IIRC.

My employer does not have a policy, either spoken or (more specifically) in writing, which denies me the right to have my firearm with me. Guess what's in my backpack on the floor next to me?

No, it was not random.

[w_a_w]

My employer does not have a policy, either spoken or (more specifically) in writing, which denies me the right to have my firearm with me. Guess what's in my backpack on the floor next to me?

No, it was not random.

that would seriously piss me the fuck off if I knew a coworker was bringing a gun into work with him :mad:

do you work in a post office? rambo fantasies? why would you do that? you could just as easily leave it in the car

[Dysfunctional]

the woman was at work when this happened...you can't bring guns to work as far as I'm aware

You should be allowed to. Why do you think the perps usually go after their bitches at work?

If you want to increase your risk of being shot, go to a gun free zone. If it became a national law that females who got a restraining order automatically were issued a permit to carry (good for anywhere), it would stop this shit dead in its tracks. Most women would not even need to take advantage of the permit.

[FlamingGlory]

I wonder what I would have done if some guy brushed past me dragging a woman by the hair and holding a gun. "Move out the way, pimpin'."

I probably would have just said "lol black people" and kept going.
:lol::lol:

My employer does not have a policy, either spoken or (more specifically) in writing, which denies me the right to have my firearm with me. Guess what's in my backpack on the floor next to me?

No, it was not random.
Aye, even here in NY you can bring your gun anywhere (except courthouses) unless signs are posted.

[FlamingGlory]

that would seriously piss me the fuck off if I knew a coworker was bringing a gun into work with him :mad:

do you work in a post office? rambo fantasies? why would you do that? you could just as easily leave it in the car
o.O

Why? If you are carrying for personal protection leaving it in the car rather defeats the purpose.

[w_a_w]

o.O

Why? If you are carrying for personal protection leaving it in the car rather defeats the purpose.

his need to protect himself supercedes the safety of the entire office if for some reason he "has a bad day"?

[KNYTE]

that would seriously piss me the fuck off if I knew a coworker was bringing a gun into work with him :mad:

do you work in a post office? rambo fantasies? why would you do that? you could just as easily leave it in the car

K, sorry you feel that way ma'am. But I have a permit to carry it, am fairly well trained in how to properly use it, have tried to educate myself to a very high degree on the risk of ever using it, and would like to think of myself as a responsible gun owner.

Why do I do it? Because I have a right to do so.

[w_a_w]

K, sorry you feel that way ma'am. But I have a permit to carry it, am fairly well trained in how to properly use it, have tried to educate myself to a very high degree on the risk of ever using it, and would like to think of myself as a responsible gun owner.

Why do I do it? Because I have a right to do so.

yeah, I'm a chick because I don't want to get shot at work by a coworker :rolleyes:

you represent gun people real well there dude

[Dysfunctional]

that would seriously piss me the fuck off if I knew a coworker was bringing a gun into work with him :mad:

do you work in a post office? rambo fantasies? why would you do that? you could just as easily leave it in the car

The person 'going postal' goes back to the post office because he knows his fellow employees are not armed there.

Sorry it may piss you off. But cops or laws do not keep you safe. It is the potential of confronting someone who can defend themselves that keeps the 'father rapers and mother stabbers' at bay. That is why most home burglaries occur during the day: people are at work.

To me, knowing someone would think twice about coming into my office on a rampage is comforting... they would think twice if they knew the office was a place of approved concealed carry.

[KNYTE]

yeah, I'm a chick because I don't want to get shot at work by a coworker :rolleyes:

you represent gun people real well there dude

Don't get all pissy WAW, you know I think of you as a friend. However you shouldn't have compared me to the run-of-the-mill stereotypical gun owner either. You know that is not accurate.

[FlamingGlory]

his need to protect himself supercedes the safety of the entire office if for some reason he "has a bad day"?
Why do you assume he's going to start shooting people because he has a bad day?

Don't project on people.

[w_a_w]

Don't get all pissy WAW, you know I think of you as a friend. However you shouldn't have compared me to the run-of-the-mill stereotypical gun owner either. You know that is not accurate.

regardless of your level of training, some people go nuts and shoot people...will that ever be you? not likely...should I have to spend my days at work hoping that's the case? no

Why do you assume he's going to start shooting people because he has a bad day?

Don't project on people.

see above

[wanko80]

regardless of your level of training, some people go nuts and shoot people...will that ever be you? not likely...should I have to spend my days at work hoping that's the case? no
Well shit, we'd better not let those people drive either, because they could just flip out and mow down some innocent people.

[BeerAd]

Don't get all pissy WAW, you know I think of you as a friend. However you shouldn't have compared me to the run-of-the-mill stereotypical gun owner either. You know that is not accurate.

Oh shut up and pull out your face off back strap deagles.

[Sarcasmo]

w_a_w, if I wanted to kill you that badly I'd just stick a scissor in your neck if I didn't have a gun. What's the difference? Personally I'd like everyone to carry a gun everywhere at all times. There are more good honest people than murderous retards. And craploads of armed good honest people is a quite a defense against the latter.

[KNYTE]

regardless of your level of training, some people go nuts and shoot people...will that ever be you? not likely...should I have to spend my days at work hoping that's the case? no

You're right, some people do. Some people also get into arguements in parking structures about personal crap, take it into a public place where you could be sitting reading a book going about your business, and shooting starts. I'd say the odds of you catching a random bullet from some criminal carrying illegally are MUCH higher than you being on the receiving end of someone with a CCW's gun.

[w_a_w]

Well shit, we'd better not let those people drive either, because they could just flip out and mow down some innocent people.

apples and oranges

[BeerAd]

regardless of your level of training, some people go nuts and shoot people...will that ever be you? not likely...should I have to spend my days at work hoping that's the case? no



see above

If I noticed someone strapped here at work I would make then not bring it in. If they decided to bring it in again I would fire them. Am I going to worry if my employees are packin heat, no. But I do agree that in my office at least there is no need for one, we are more family here than anything.

[w_a_w]

You're right, some people do. Some people also get into arguements in parking structures about personal crap, take it into a public place where you could be sitting reading a book going about your business, and shooting starts. I'd say the odds of you catching a random bullet from some criminal carrying illegally are MUCH higher than you being on the receiving end of someone with a CCW's gun.

maybe it's just me but I'd say you were being an extremely abrasive retard if you goaded someone into following you into work just to bust a cap in you :fly:

edit: try curbing shitty behavior instead of defending it

[KNYTE]

If I noticed someone strapped here at work I would make then not bring it in. If they decided to bring it in again I would fire them. Am I going to worry if my employees are packin heat, no. But I do agree that in my office at least there is no need for one, we are more family here than anything.

That sounds like a very positive work environment, but can you say that anyone who has ever, or will ever, walk through your office door is a friend?

[FlamingGlory]

regardless of your level of training, some people go nuts and shoot people...will that ever be you? not likely...should I have to spend my days at work hoping that's the case? no

see above
If a person decides to kill people at work you are pretty much SOL. If everyone at work carried, or at least a majority, it would be even safer. Distributed check and balance.

Either way cops all carry guns. We see numerous cop related random shootings, where they just walk in and start shooting their coworkers. Yeah :tard:

Irrational fear.

Edit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

Youre the one we should watch. Boy. :P

[w_a_w]

If a person decides to kill people at work you are pretty much SOL. If everyone at work carried, or at least a majority, it would be even safer. Distributed check and balance.

Either way cops all carry guns. We see numerous cop related random shootings, where they just walk in and start shooting their coworkers. Yeah :tard:

Irrational fear.

he's not a cop and I wouldn't put up with it in my workplace and I can guarantee it would get you fired from here

[Dysfunctional]

Don't get all pissy WAW, you know I think of you as a friend. However you shouldn't have compared me to the run-of-the-mill stereotypical gun owner either. You know that is not accurate.

Ugh, just what is your impression of a run-of-the-mill, stereotypical gun owner, eh bub?

Do you see yourself as just another version of the elites and well connected types who think that they, and only they, have the right of self protection - because they, and only they, have the intellectual aptitude and moral turpitude sufficient for their right to protect themselves and their families?

[KNYTE]

he's not a cop and I wouldn't put up with it in my workplace and I can guarantee it would get you fired from here

And what exactly seperates me from a cop on a mental scale? He gets a shiny badge and is immediately immune to doing something stupid if he comes home to finding his wife screwing a Zebra?

That's fine that the company you work has a policy against it. THAT IS THERE PREROGATIVE, and were I employed by Turner I'd be happy to comply with it. The company I work for does NOT have such a policy, so it's a non-issue.

Ugh, just what is your impression of a run-of-the-mill, stereotypical gun owner, eh bub?



Do you see yourself as just another version of the elites and well connected types who think that they, and only they, have the right of self protection - because they, and only they, have the intellectual aptitude and moral turpitude sufficient for their right to protect themselves and their families?

Don't get all overly analytical, you know what I meant. :D

[Dysfunctional]

If a person decides to kill people at work you are pretty much SOL. If everyone at work carried, or at least a majority, it would be even safer. Distributed check and balance.

Either way cops all carry guns. We see numerous cop related random shootings, where they just walk in and start shooting their coworkers. Yeah :tard:

Irrational fear.

Edit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

Youre the one we should watch. Boy. :P


I think we finally agree on something. Alert the media...

Kind of scary though.

[FlamingGlory]

he's not a cop and I wouldn't put up with it in my workplace and I can guarantee it would get you fired from here
It was an analogy. Law enforcement all carry, and if you think they are different from any other profession you're mistaken. It's the basic concept that people who do just start 'randomly killing' [aside from the fact it only happens maybe once every 5 years] are going to a) do it any way they can, b) not let silly things like LAWS stand in their way. E.g. 'OMG I cant carry at work, it's illegal, so Ill not go in and start shooting people'.

[FlamingGlory]

I think we finally agree on something. Alert the media...

Kind of scary though.
Eh, I have more faith in people not trying to kill me than I do of them being able to count out change.

[w_a_w]

If a person decides to kill people at work you are pretty much SOL. If everyone at work carried, or at least a majority, it would be even safer. Distributed check and balance.

Either way cops all carry guns. We see numerous cop related random shootings, where they just walk in and start shooting their coworkers. Yeah :tard:

Irrational fear.

Edit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

Youre the one we should watch. Boy. :P

maybe it's just me but I'd say you were being an extremely abrasive retard if you goaded someone into following you into work just to bust a cap in you :fly:

edit: try curbing shitty behavior instead of defending it

this is the way I think and that's why I don't feel the need to carry a gun ;)

[KNYTE]

Here's another angle: What's the difference between me having a gun with me at work and me having a gun with me when we go to the mall, bar, club, gas station, gym, whatever?

[BeerAd]

That sounds like a very positive work environment, but can you say that anyone who has ever, or will ever, walk through your office door is a friend?

Our office is actually located in kinda a shittier neighborhood. I mean its a beautiful office but surrounding isnt so nice, we didnt do enough research before buying. A couple days ago there was a car accident on the corner and 2 undercover cops were already on the scene not even 3 minutes after the crash. If a hostile walked into this office we would be fine.

[BeerAd]

Here's another angle: What's the difference between me having a gun with me at work and me having a gun with me when we go to the mall, bar, club, gas station, gym, whatever?

It quite simple, at work you have a personal relationship with your coworkers on some level, those other places you dont.

[KNYTE]

Our office is actually located in kinda a shittier neighborhood. I mean its a beautiful office but surrounding isnt so nice, we didnt do enough research before buying. A couple days ago there was a car accident on the corner and 2 undercover cops were already on the scene not even 3 minutes after the crash. If a hostile walked into this office we would be fine.

See, you're taking the "I'm safe because of these generic circumstances" mindset. You cannot assume that there a SWAT-ninjas sitting on your roof just waiting for something to go down. You need to be responsible for your own well being, because when it all comes down to it you are ultimately the only one you can rely upon to save your life.

[Dysfunctional]

If I noticed someone strapped here at work I would make then not bring it in. If they decided to bring it in again I would fire them. Am I going to worry if my employees are packin heat, no. But I do agree that in my office at least there is no need for one, we are more family here than anything.

I bet that if one of them is going through an ugly separation... and that no-longer-significant other decides to show up at your office for some shootin' retribution, you would wish to God that somebody was packin' in your behalf.

Or, you could call for a cop and some pizza and time whichever shows up first... oh wait, too late, folks 'be dead'.

[BeerAd]

See, you're taking the "I'm safe because of these generic circumstances" mindset. You cannot assume that there a SWAT-ninjas sitting on your roof just waiting for something to go down. You need to be responsible for your own well being, because when it all comes down to it you are ultimately the only one you can rely upon to save your life.

And you have the "everyone is out to get me" mindset. We are both in our little fairy tale worlds. Obviously I dont think you are paranoid crazy dude but you used the high end of my world there is the high of yours.

[BeerAd]

I bet that if one of them is going through an ugly separation... and that no-longer-significant other decides to show up at your office for some shootin' retribution, you would wish to God that somebody was packin' in your behalf.

Or, you could call for a cop and some pizza and time whichever shows up first... oh wait, too late, folks 'be dead'.

Yeah let me tell you how I wish some "more than likely poorly trained idiot" was carrying a gun so he could open fire escalating the problem.:tard:

Now if I had a Knyte, that would be different but even as he has said, he is not the norm.

[KNYTE]

And you have the "everyone is out to get me" mindset. We are both in our little fairy tale worlds. Obviously I dont think you are paranoid crazy dude but you used the high end of my world there is the high of yours.

The popular term for being paranoid is the "survivor mentality" :D.

Yes, I like to know where the exits are.

Yes, I carry a gun with me most places that allow me to do so.

I honestly don't see why so many people think those are bad qualities/items to have.

[Thorn Bird]

easy access to a gun is what makes me nervous. i wouldn't like knowing a coworker has a gun beside me either. i don't trust people to react in the most appropriate manner if something were to happen.
what ALSO makes me nervous is if everyone knew of that gun in the backpack in cubicle 19. who is stopping someone from swiping it and using it?
and mistakes happen. what if you forget to unload? what if you forget to put the safety on?
too risky for me to understand having a gun everyday. the risk of getting hurt is bigger than needing the thing nine times out of ten.

[FlamingGlory]

And you have the "everyone is out to get me" mindset. We are both in our little fairy tale worlds. Obviously I dont think you are paranoid crazy dude but you used the high end of my world there is the high of yours.
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best. I also always have gourmet chocolate in my pockets. Girls love that shit.

[w_a_w]

Prepare for the worst, hope for the best. I also always have gourmet chocolate in my pockets. Girls love that shit.

guns and candy? great, we have a violent pedo on our hands :fly:
I keed

as far as I'm concerned about being armed at work, what you do on your time is your business...when you bring a gun to work you are bringing something from "your time" into "our time" or "my time" if I'm your employer and that is just as inappropriate as someone having a gf come into the office going psycho every few days or something like that...leave what you do on your time at home, period

[BeerAd]

The popular term for being paranoid is the "survivor mentality" :D.

Yes, I like to know where the exits are.

Yes, I carry a gun with me most places that allow me to do so.

I honestly don't see why so many people think those are bad qualities/items to have.

They are not, at all.

As I am sure I have stated before I am all for EVERYONEs right to bear arms. I enjoy shooting, its a great stress relief. I am pretty keen on gun safety and have been around guns most of my life. That being said, I will never carry a gun because of my bad temper. That is just my way of keeping myself safe, to each his own.

Bringing a gun with you everyday to work though, to me, is uncalled for. Whether you agree or not a gun commands power and can be easily misused, sometimes the handler doesnt even notice. Although I would not sway my mindset if I knew someone was carrying, many people would. Sadly they would also treat you differently and you could use many people without even noticing. All because of their all so real fear of guns.

[KNYTE]

what if you forget to unload? what if you forget to put the safety on?
too risky for me to understand having a gun everyday. the risk of getting hurt is bigger than needing the thing nine times out of ten.

Well, if your gun is not loaded what's the point of carrying it?

My Glock doesn't have a "safety" in the sense that you are likely referring to.

However no one here knows that I have a gun. While I'm fairly opened mouthed about it on the internet (where no one cares) and among friends my policy with strangers is "What's a gun?".

My brother-in-law said the same thing recently (about risks). My response to him was "Trolley Square". My gun is only a portion of my "defense system", and even if I didn't have it the likelyhood of me making it out of terrible situation is higher because:

1) I look for the green exit signs wherever I am.
2) I watch what people are doing, how they move, what they look like, what they're wearing, who they're with.
3) I spend time thinking about what I would do if such and such a thing happened.

If those traits put me into the "paranoid" category in the opinion of some people then that's fine. I can LIVE with that.

[BeerAd]

Prepare for the worst, hope for the best. I also always have gourmet chocolate in my pockets. Girls love that shit.

you sir, are a very odd man. On a different note...

Well i was going to take a pic of my desktop to show your snowy wood photo but there is confidential stuff on there now :O

[Thorn Bird]

Well, if your gun is not loaded what's the point of carrying it?

My Glock doesn't have a "safety" in the sense that you are likely referring to.

However no one here knows that I have a gun. While I'm fairly opened mouthed about it on the internet (where no one cares) and among friends my policy with strangers is "What's a gun?".

My brother-in-law said the same thing recently (about risks). My response to him was "Trolley Square". My gun is only a portion of my "defense system", and even if I didn't have it the likelyhood of me making it out of terrible situation is higher because:

1) I look for the green exit signs wherever I am.
2) I watch what people are doing, how they move, what they look like, what they're wearing, who they're with.
3) I spend time thinking about what I would do if such and such a thing happened.

If those traits put me into the "paranoid" category in the opinion of some people then that's fine. I can LIVE with that.


so what about questionable situations. you see a person come in looking nervous and jumpy. you see him/her making nervous gestures with his/her hands or something. you THINK he/she MIGHT be attempting to do something simply because of questionable behavior. he/she is walking closer and closer to you, eyes darting around. what are you going to do? how far does a situation need to go before you use it?
the judgement of people, especially skiddish ones, lacks appeal. do you have a set of guidelines on when you feel it's right to pull the gun out and use it?

[BeerAd]

Well, if your gun is not loaded what's the point of carrying it?

My Glock doesn't have a "safety" in the sense that you are likely referring to.

However no one here knows that I have a gun. While I'm fairly opened mouthed about it on the internet (where no one cares) and among friends my policy with strangers is "What's a gun?".

My brother-in-law said the same thing recently (about risks). My response to him was "Trolley Square". My gun is only a portion of my "defense system", and even if I didn't have it the likelyhood of me making it out of terrible situation is higher because:

1) I look for the green exit signs wherever I am.
2) I watch what people are doing, how they move, what they look like, what they're wearing, who they're with.
3) I spend time thinking about what I would do if such and such a thing happened.

If those traits put me into the "paranoid" category in the opinion of some people then that's fine. I can LIVE with that.

One thing I know you realize is that you are a far swing from the normal gun holder. Not many are like you and if they were I would be all for the carrying everywhere and anywhere they want. Seeing that they are not, I will never allow someone armed entering my house or my office with my knowledge.

Even when we come back from the range you keep your guns in your car.

[Dysfunctional]

Yeah let me tell you how I wish some "more than likely poorly trained idiot" was carrying a gun so he could open fire escalating the problem.:tard:

Now if I had a Knyte, that would be different but even as he has said, he is not the norm.

Your presuppositions are staggering. Thank God the founding fathers had more faith in their fellow man; in your mind 'the people' are just the few you have faith in and everyone else is an idiot.

I grew up in place where all the 'idiots' had a loaded shotgun in their business and home. If I had $10, I could have bought a shotgun in the local hardware store when I was a minor. We carried our rifles to school for purposes of a rifle club.

It isn't really a different world today - just that the leftests have done a great sales job convincing the public that guns are bad and that most people who own them are nut jobs just waiting to go crazy and kill people.

[KNYTE]

Bringing a gun with you everyday to work though, to me, is uncalled for. Whether you agree or not a gun commands power and can be easily misused, sometimes the handler doesnt even notice. Although I would not sway my mindset if I knew someone was carrying, many people would. Sadly they would also treat you differently and you could use many people without even noticing. All because of their all so real fear of guns.

Ok, but what is the point of owning a handgun, and have a permit to carry it, if you just leave it at home in your sock drawer instead of taking it to the place where you spend the second most amount of time.

I have very little moral/emotional association with the bulk of the people I work around. I say "around" because I don't work "with" a large portion of them. I work for a company that is big enough that I don't know everyone's names. I don't know most of their faces. I don't know who is screwing whose wife. I don't know what they drugs they do. I don't know any of that crap.

So ultimately what is the difference between me having a gun here and me having a gun at the mall?

[BeerAd]

Your presuppositions are staggering. Thank God the founding fathers had more faith in their fellow man; in your mind 'the people' are just the few you have faith in and everyone else is an idiot.

I grew up in place where all the 'idiots' had a loaded shotgun in their business and home. If I had $10, I could have bought a shotgun in the local hardware store when I was a minor. We carried our rifles to school for purposes of a rifle club.

It isn't really a different world today - just that the leftests have done a great sales job convincing the public that guns are bad and that most people who own them are nut jobs just waiting to go crazy and kill people.

Honestly I would love to reply to this but I just don't enjoy talking to you, sorry.

[w_a_w]

Your presuppositions are staggering. Thank God the founding fathers had more faith in their fellow man; in your mind 'the people' are just the few you have faith in and everyone else is an idiot.

I grew up in place where all the 'idiots' had a loaded shotgun in their business and home. If I had $10, I could have bought a shotgun in the local hardware store when I was a minor. We carried our rifles to school for purposes of a rifle club.

It isn't really a different world today - just that the leftests have done a great sales job convincing the public that guns are bad and that most people who own them are nut jobs just waiting to go crazy and kill people.

the majority of people don't hunt for food anymore and know jackshit about guns because of it...if I relied on my gun to eat, I'd be extremely skilled in it's use...we are no longer living under the tyranny of an overtly oppressive govt either so there's another reason people don't know how to use guns

so what good reasons are left for gun use in the general populace? yup, shooting people in disputes

I am in no way advocating that people who like guns disarm...do what you want just leave me out of it

[BeerAd]

Ok, but what is the point of owning a handgun, and have a permit to carry it, if you just leave it at home in your sock drawer instead of taking it to the place where you spend the second most amount of time.

I have very little moral/emotional association with the bulk of the people I work around. I say "around" because I don't work "with" a large portion of them. I work for a company that is big enough that I don't know everyone's names. I don't know most of their faces. I don't know who is screwing whose wife. I don't know what they drugs they do. I don't know any of that crap.

So ultimately what is the difference between me having a gun here and me having a gun at the mall?

I think you missed the point that I was kinda getting at. As long as I do not ever see you carrying that gun, I wont know or care. The first time I see it hanging out you will have 2 choices dont bring it back or fired. If it is hanging out you are at fault and braking what your own beliefs are anyways. See what I am getting at?

[FlamingGlory]

you sir, are a very odd man. On a different note...

Well i was going to take a pic of my desktop to show your snowy wood photo but there is confidential stuff on there now :O
I'm glad someone liked it. :D

so what about questionable situations. you see a person come in looking nervous and jumpy. you see him/her making nervous gestures with his/her hands or something. you THINK he/she MIGHT be attempting to do something simply because of questionable behavior. he/she is walking closer and closer to you, eyes darting around. what are you going to do? how far does a situation need to go before you use it?
the judgement of people, especially skiddish ones, lacks appeal. do you have a set of guidelines on when you feel it's right to pull the gun out and use it?
Yes, it's called "the law." You cant shoot someone unless you are in FEAR OF YOUR LIFE/IN FEAR OF IMMINENT LETHAL FORCE where a REASONABLE person would be in fear of the same.

In most states you also have a duty to retreat before you can respond. In NY here, you have to not only be facing imminent lethal force, you have to exhaust ALL possible routes of escape. A friend of mine got probation because she fought back -after- being held down (it also applies for normal self defense), and therefore didnt fulfill the escape requirement. :(

[KNYTE]

so what about questionable situations. you see a person come in looking nervous and jumpy. you see him/her making nervous gestures with his/her hands or something. you THINK he/she MIGHT be attempting to do something simply because of questionable behavior. he/she is walking closer and closer to you, eyes darting around. what are you going to do? how far does a situation need to go before you use it?

the judgement of people, especially skiddish ones, lacks appeal. do you have a set of guidelines on when you feel it's right to pull the gun out and use it?

You bring up a good point, but the reality is that IF something happens I most likely will be REacting to it, not acting against it.

No matter how much time I put into being aware the likelyhood of something going down and me not be aware of it prior is just substantially higher. I could watch everyone around me with as much focus as I could gather and still miss the guy who pulls a shotgun from out of nowhere and starts shooting.

I'm not saying your point is a non-issue, because it most certainly is not, but I do not think that I would ever have to have the conscious thought "I'd better pull my gun on this guy".

I think you missed the point that I was kinda getting at. As long as I do not ever see you carrying that gun, I wont know or care. The first time I see it hanging out you will have 2 choices dont bring it back or fired. If it is hanging out you are at fault and braking what your own beliefs are anyways. See what I am getting at?

So basically, according to what you just said, you'd be fine with me banging your woman, as long as you didn't know. You'd be fine with me stealing your money, as long as you didn't know. Is that about accurate? You can't have a firm stance on something that is governed by whether or not you are aware of it. You either feel strongly about something all of the time, or you don't feel strongly about it.

[Sarcasmo]

this is the way I think and that's why I don't feel the need to carry a gun ;)

Dude dude dude.


Dude.


What if someone reacts irrationally to a normal situation and you pay the price for it?

[BeerAd]

To bring it back to the original post...

Do you feel that more people shooting in this situation would have made things better?

[w_a_w]

Dude dude dude.


Dude.


What if someone reacts irrationally to a normal situation and you pay the price for it?

if it's my day to die, so be it...I will not live my life in fear nor will I arm to the teeth

[w_a_w]

To bring it back to the original post...

Do you feel that more people shooting in this situation would have made things better?

ahahaha..there were a few 100 people around too...so a chain reaction would have occurred of people drawing and shooting who they thought was the perp :fly: yike

[BeerAd]

if it's my day to die, so be it...I will not live my life in fear nor will I arm to the teeth

I am quoting this because I feel the same way. If Knyte and Dysfunc want to get into a gun fight one day I will grab WaW and we will be over at the bar having one last beer.

[w_a_w]

I am quoting this because I feel the same way. If Knyte and Dysfunc want to get into a gun fight one day I will grab WaW and we will be over at the bar having one last beer.

cheers man :D

[BeerAd]

ahahaha..there were a few 100 people around too...so a chain reaction would have occurred of people drawing and shooting who they thought was the perp :fly: yike

Honestly you are the only one able to answer that question because you were there. In a situation like this I see total chaos from a 100 people trying to defend themselves with guns.

[FlamingGlory]

To bring it back to the original post...

Do you feel that more people shooting in this situation would have made things better?
That really wasnt the original point. She obviously coud've done more to help herself than get shot. Then w_a_w went a his pinko commie rant about guns in the workplace kekeke

[BeerAd]

Great points though Knyte, WaW, Thorny, FG and everyone

very good conversation on each side of things. The avid gun user, the neutrals, the moms, the weirdos :p

[KNYTE]

That really wasnt the original point. She obviously coud've done more to help herself than get shot.

My feelings exactly. Defending herself doesn't necessarily mean carrying a gun or relying on other civilians who happened to be carrying guns.

I am quoting this because I feel the same way. If Knyte and Dysfunc want to get into a gun fight one day I will grab WaW and we will be over at the bar having one last beer.

I read a pistol combat instructional book recently and one of the things that stuck with me more than anything else was this statement...

"In 10 years no one will remember the guns used, the circumstances of why it started, or where it even happened, people will only remember who lived, and who died."

[BeerAd]

That really wasnt the original point. She obviously coud've done more to help herself than get shot. Then w_a_w went a his pinko commie rant about guns in the workplace kekeke

Yeah but by saying "she" should have been carrying you are basically saying everyone there should have been. Panic can be a very scary thing when its grouped in the masses.

[Sarcasmo]

if it's my day to die, so be it...I will not live my life in fear nor will I arm to the teeth

If they try to hurt your bitch?

[wanko80]

w_a_w, does your work outlaw pocket knives? Or, as Sarcasmo said, scissors? What about the blade on a paper cutter? That can be a pretty good weapon too.

[BeerAd]

My feelings exactly. Defending herself doesn't necessarily mean carrying a gun or relying on other civilians who happened to be carrying guns.


I dont think anyone really wants to believe they are about to die and it might not even of hit her until the bullet did.


A read a pistol combat instructional manual recently and one of the things that stuck with me more than anything else was this statement...

"In 10 years no one will remember the guns used, the circumstances of why it started, or where it even happened, people will only remember who lived, and who died."

Thx, I enjoyed that quote, very realistic.

[FlamingGlory]

Yeah but by saying "she" should have been carrying you are basically saying everyone there should have been. Panic can be a very scary thing when its grouped in the masses.
Dude, forget about guns. :lol: She could've done more than go somewhere public and get shot. Hindsight is 20/20, this is like reviewing the gametapes of life. Not sleeping with felons is a good place to start:

"In February 1998, he [the shooter] had sex with a minor, who was 16 or 17 according to prison records. Mann was sentenced to five years in prison and released in March 2004."

"Mann was convicted of third-degree murder and robbery with a deadly weapon in Miami-Dade County, records show. He was sentenced in 1992 to 10 years in prison, but served only four."

[BeerAd]

w_a_w, does your work outlaw pocket knives? Or, as Sarcasmo said, scissors? What about the blade on a paper cutter? That can be a pretty good weapon too.

I love when people take this route, its funny and predictable :fly:

[w_a_w]

If they try to hurt your bitch?

if I had a wife and kids I would consider having a gun at home to protect them...I wouldn't bring it to work ever though

[Sarcasmo]

I got popped on the ass by a girl with a rubber band once. You know where you put it around your thumb and index finger, press it against the skin and pull the whole thing back really far and snap it? That shit hurts, yo. I wanted to cut that bitch. And do her. And then cut her again.

[FlamingGlory]

I love when people take this route, its funny and predictable :fly:
It's true though.

[w_a_w]

That really wasnt the original point. She obviously coud've done more to help herself than get shot. Then w_a_w went a his pinko commie rant about guns in the workplace kekeke

being that it was a domestic dispute case, she very likely knew he had a gun and was trying to acquiesce to his wishes for purposes of self preservation

[Dysfunctional]

Honestly I would love to reply to this but I just don't enjoy talking to you, sorry.

Saying you would love to respond is a back-handed way of saying that you believe you have a superior response. Then, saying you don't enjoy responding to me is an additional way of saying that you don't like your biases shot down.

Oh, and by the way, take your smug apologies and stick them up your ass.

[FlamingGlory]

I got popped on the ass by a girl with a rubber band once. You know where you put it around your thumb and index finger, press it against the skin and pull the whole thing back really far and snap it? That shit hurts, yo. I wanted to cut that bitch. And do her. And then cut her again.

:lol:

[FlamingGlory]

being that it was a domestic dispute case, she very likely knew he had a gun and was trying to acquiesce to his wishes for purposes of self preservation

Dude, forget about guns. :lol: She could've done more than go somewhere public and get shot. Hindsight is 20/20, this is like reviewing the gametapes of life. Not sleeping with felons is a good place to start:

"In February 1998, he [the shooter] had sex with a minor, who was 16 or 17 according to prison records. Mann was sentenced to five years in prison and released in March 2004."

"Mann was convicted of third-degree murder and robbery with a deadly weapon in Miami-Dade County, records show. He was sentenced in 1992 to 10 years in prison, but served only four."

[w_a_w]

words

I missed that post...yeah, she was retarded for being with that guy, no doubt

[wanko80]

I love when people take this route, its funny and predictable :fly:

It's true though.

[Dysfunctional]

the majority of people don't hunt for food anymore and know jackshit about guns because of it...if I relied on my gun to eat, I'd be extremely skilled in it's use...we are no longer living under the tyranny of an overtly oppressive govt either so there's another reason people don't know how to use guns

so what good reasons are left for gun use in the general populace? yup, shooting people in disputes

I am in no way advocating that people who like guns disarm...do what you want just leave me out of it

You are assuming that people who own firearms know nothing about them. My experience is otherwise. Furthermore, it is not that everyone needs to own a firearm. It is that people have a right to. That right means that the bad guys do not know who is armed. This alone keeps us safer. That is why concealed carry is a great idea.

Also, your assumption about government is flawed. All governments tend to get more repressive. It is up to each generation to insure freedom for itself. I have been around long enough to see plenty of freedoms erode. The classic example is police work. Police used to be judged by their peers on how safe the community was; now they are judged on how many DUI's, drug busts and traffic tickets they write. Police can't deal with the true miscreants, so they turn to victimize the citizenry. We are growing into a police state. Give this country 100 more years... you will need firearm.

[BeerAd]

Saying you would love to respond is a back-handed way of saying that you believe you have a superior response. Then, saying you don't enjoy responding to me is an additional way of saying that you don't like your biases shot down.

Oh, and by the way, take your smug apologies and stick them up your ass.

There are many people on this forum and in truth with this many people there is at least 1 person I am not going to enjoy talking to. I was being polite and honest with you that I do not enjoy talking to you. You were just able to prove my point as to why. Again, you could be a great person but I do not like the way you reply to people nor do I like talking to you. You could have just left it at that but telling me to stick my smug apologies up my ass is the route you took. Grow up

[w_a_w]

w_a_w, does your work outlaw pocket knives? Or, as Sarcasmo said, scissors? What about the blade on a paper cutter? That can be a pretty good weapon too.

come here and let me jam this pencil in your eye :p

[BeerAd]

It's true though.

It is true that anything can be used as a weapon in the wrong hands. IMO I can defend myself to some extent bare handed against someone with scissors. With a gun I am dead, there is no chance.

[w_a_w]

You are assuming that people who own firearms know nothing about them. My experience is otherwise. Furthermore, it is not that everyone needs to own a firearm. It is that people have a right to. That right means that the bad guys do not know who is armed. This alone keeps us safer. That is why concealed carry is a great idea.

Also, your assumption about government is flawed. All governments tend to get more repressive. It is up to each generation to insure freedom for itself. I have been around long enough to see plenty of freedoms erode. The classic example is police work. Police used to be judged by their peers on how safe the community was; now they are judged on how many DUI's, drug busts and traffic tickets they write. Police can't deal with the true miscreants, so they turn to victimize the citizenry. We are growing into a police state. Give this country 100 more years... you will need firearm.

there are no tests to own firearms...you simply get a permit...that in and of itself is an incredibly flawed way to grant people the right and ability to take life...this means there are a lot of people with guns out there that really shouldn't have them

cops are a completely different issue and people don't buy guns to defend themselves from cops

[wanko80]

It is true that anything can be used as a weapon in the wrong hands. IMO I can defend myself to some extent bare handed against someone with scissors. With a gun I am dead, there is no chance.
Not if they flip out and sneak up behind you. Then you're dead.

[BeerAd]

there are no tests to own firearms...you simply get a permit...that in and of itself is an incredibly flawed way to grant people the right and ability to take life...this means there are a lot of people with guns out there that really shouldn't have them

cops are a completely different issue and people don't buy guns to defend themselves from cops

Drug dealers?

[BeerAd]

Not if they flip out and sneak up behind you. Then you're dead.

I maybe fat but I am ninja like, Beverly Hills Ninja like

[Dysfunctional]

There are many people on this forum and in truth with this many people there is at least 1 person I am not going to enjoy talking to. I was being polite and honest with you that I do not enjoy talking to you. You were just able to prove my point as to why. Again, you could be a great person but I do not like the way you reply to people nor do I like talking to you. You could have just left it at that but telling me to stick my smug apologies up my ass is the route you took. Grow up


No ass-wipe. You could have ignored my post. Instead, you had to puff yourself up. So, I gave you my kiss-my-ass reply to your attitude.

[Sarcasmo]

It is true that anything can be used as a weapon in the wrong hands. IMO I can defend myself to some extent bare handed against someone with scissors. With a gun I am dead, there is no chance.

Did Neo just sit down and say "I have no chance?" No, he bent over backwards and did the wavey arms thing. I think your problem is a lack of self confidence, not projectile velocity.

[BeerAd]

Alright guys, very interesting sides but I am going home now to shove something smug into my ass. Enjoy your weekend, I might be on but if not, see yall Monday!

[BeerAd]

Did Neo just sit down and say "I have no chance?" No, he bent over backwards and did the wavey arms thing. I think your problem is a lack of self confidence, not projectile velocity.

Bwhahahahahhahahhahaha :heart:

[w_a_w]

Alright guys, very interesting sides but I am going home now to shove something smug into my ass. Enjoy your weekend, I might be on but if not, see yall Monday!

:lol: later man

[BeerAd]

Hey Dysfunc,
Please keep up your pointless attacks it will get you closer to the door which in turn will make me happy. Have a good weekend Dysfunc, hope yours is filled with joy

[FlamingGlory]

It is true that anything can be used as a weapon in the wrong hands. IMO I can defend myself to some extent bare handed against someone with scissors. With a gun I am dead, there is no chance.
You've seen too many movies. Idiots are idiots no matter what they are holding. Shooting a gun is not any more easy than stabbing someone. It's not the wand, it's the magician eh?

Just because you feel competent unarmed doesnt meant you are. Someone with scissors [as per example] who has never tried to kill someone with them is just as effective as someone with a gun who has never used one. It's not some magical device that turns you into an unstoppable killer.

Chances are you are just as dead whether I decide to cap ya or curbstomp ya :P

[KNYTE]

It is true that anything can be used as a weapon in the wrong hands. IMO I can defend myself to some extent bare handed against someone with scissors. With a gun I am dead, there is no chance.

Not true at all. A bladed weapon is just as (if not more so) deadly than a gun. We're talking wounds that go to the bone and can be from several inches to up to a foot in length, slicing muscle, veins, arteries, and organs to ribbons.

A bladed instrument (of any kind) is just as much a weapon as any firearm, and you are fooling yourself if you believe you could defend against one (even in the hands of someone totally untrained) because you've seen a few movies or taken a Karate class or two.

[Sarcasmo]

there are no tests to own firearms...you simply get a permit...that in and of itself is an incredibly flawed way to grant people the right and ability to take life...this means there are a lot of people with guns out there that really shouldn't have them

cops are a completely different issue and people don't buy guns to defend themselves from cops

Wait, owning a gun doesn't give you the right or ability to take a life. Someone trying to kill you gives you the right to take a life, and just being alive gives you the ability. We have thumbs, so it's easy. If someone comes up behind you and taps you on the shoulder and you turn around and blow them away, you're pretty much fucked. You still need a reason.

Guns are just a judicial tool, nothing more. If you aren't willing to protect yourself I can't change your mind, nor do I want to. That's you, and I support that. Personally I'd rather walk out of my house with a gun down the back of my pants than give someone else veto power over my vitality. And that's all it comes down to. Fists, gun, same thing. If I had to I'd use my teeth to protect my family. A gun just makes the defense quicker, and in that situation time is everything.

[FlamingGlory]

there are no tests to own firearms...you simply get a permit...that in and of itself is an incredibly flawed way to grant people the right and ability to take life...this means there are a lot of people with guns out there that really shouldn't have them

cops are a completely different issue and people don't buy guns to defend themselves from cops
Depends on where you live. Again.

GA, you dont need a permit to buy any firearm. Just a background check. You need a permit to CCW though.

This is all semantics though. Anyone can kill anyone else at any time so you arent granting anyone any right or ability they didnt have before. Hence why certain things are 'rights' not privileges. They cant be taken away or granted. Firearms are just tools.

[Dysfunctional]

there are no tests to own firearms...you simply get a permit...that in and of itself is an incredibly flawed way to grant people the right and ability to take life...this means there are a lot of people with guns out there that really shouldn't have them

cops are a completely different issue and people don't buy guns to defend themselves from cops

It is not flawed when we have a Constitutional right to own 'arms'. You basically have a core fear of guns. I grew up with them... I see them as simply a tool that decent people have. And that tool is one that they can use if some drug crazed psycho kicks down their door in the middle of the night. I believe that it is a supreme moral obligation to protect my family. I also believe that no other person has the right to decide if I am worthy of fulfilling that obligation.

Oh, I think in the movie 'Departed' that Jack Nicholson says something like, "when you're staring down the barrel of a 45, does it really matter whether it's a cop or a crook?"

[FlamingGlory]

o.O

[w_a_w]

Wait, owning a gun doesn't give you the right or ability to take a life. Someone trying to kill you gives you the right to take a life, and just being alive gives you the ability. We have thumbs, so it's easy. If someone comes up behind you and taps you on the shoulder and you turn around and blow them away, you're pretty much fucked. You still need a reason.

Guns are just a judicial tool, nothing more. If you aren't willing to protect yourself I can't change your mind, nor do I want to. That's you, and I support that. Personally I'd rather walk out of my house with a gun down the back of my pants than give someone else veto power over my vitality. And that's all it comes down to. Fists, gun, same thing. If I had to I'd use my teeth to protect my family. A gun just makes the defense quicker, and in that situation time is everything.

obviously you aren't given the right to take a life but you do now have the ability if you have a gun...I was talking about the right to bare

[Sarcasmo]

My carry weapon is a Mossberg.

[Sarcasmo]

obviously you aren't given the right to take a life but you do now have the ability if you have a gun...I was talking about the right to bare

You have the ability to give a life, too. If someone is trying to kill someone else, and I kill the attempted murderer, the victim or victims are now free from harm. Assuming the attacker wasn't able to inject a fast-acting neurotoxin into their blood stream, of course.

[FlamingGlory]

My carry weapon is a Mossberg.

If you're going to a gun fight, bring a rifle.

[kiwi]

If you're going to a gun fight, bring a rifle.

and a friend.

[w_a_w]

You have the ability to give a life, too. If someone is trying to kill someone else, and I kill the attempted murderer, the victim or victims are now free from harm. Assuming the attacker wasn't able to inject a fast-acting neurotoxin into their blood stream, of course.

I HATE when that happens

[FlamingGlory]

and a friend.
Exactly. :heart:

[SemperFly]

that would seriously piss me the fuck off if I knew a coworker was bringing a gun into work with him :mad:

do you work in a post office? rambo fantasies? why would you do that? you could just as easily leave it in the car

if it wasn't against the law or against the rules, why would it piss you off?

why would he do that? I think a situation like this is exactly why.

[SemperFly]

Don't get all pissy WAW, you know I think of you as a friend. However you shouldn't have compared me to the run-of-the-mill stereotypical gun owner either. You know that is not accurate.

actually his comparison wasn't even to a run of the mill gun owner. run of the mill gun owners are like you and I, folks that understand the responsibility inherent in carrying and are safer with them than without. he compared you to the run of the mill thug that would buy a stolen gun and carry it in his waistband because someone scuffed his jordans at school

[SemperFly]

Our office is actually located in kinda a shittier neighborhood. I mean its a beautiful office but surrounding isnt so nice, we didnt do enough research before buying. A couple days ago there was a car accident on the corner and 2 undercover cops were already on the scene not even 3 minutes after the crash. If a hostile walked into this office we would be fine.
*plain clothes, not undercover

If there were cops on the scene three minutes after the crash then they were there either on another job or purely by chance. Average police response time around the country is in the double digits. It takes less than a second to pull a trigger so no, if a hostile walked into your office you would not be fine. It would probably require someone getting killed before authorities could even be alerted to the fact that there was a problem.

[SemperFly]

One thing I know you realize is that you are a far swing from the normal gun holder. Not many are like you and if they were I would be all for the carrying everywhere and anywhere they want. Seeing that they are not, I will never allow someone armed entering my house or my office with my knowledge.

Even when we come back from the range you keep your guns in your car.

We know this how? How many gun owners do you know? :confused: I shoot with with sheriffs and federal agents frequently, I've yet to head any of them expresse concern over the non-LEOs they share the range with.

[SemperFly]

I guess I could have combined all those into one post :( I realized how long the thread was and just skimmed over the second half of the page :o I guess I shouldn't use 100ppp

[FlamingGlory]

I use 100ppp. I am a God. EMULATE ME.

[Sarcasmo]

I'm on a WYSE terminal. I have to go with 50 ppp. (no RAM)

[SemperFly]

i read that as emulsify

now i'm disappointed :(


edit: we use wyse terminals, the older 3630s SUCK BALLZ

[w_a_w]

I'm on a WYSE terminal. I have to go with 50 ppp. (no RAM)

ouch

[FlamingGlory]

i read that as emulsify

now i'm disappointed :(


edit: we use wyse terminals, the older 3630s SUCK BALLZ

EMULSIFY ME

[Dysfunctional]

Hey Dysfunc,
Please keep up your pointless attacks it will get you closer to the door which in turn will make me happy. Have a good weekend Dysfunc, hope yours is filled with joy

Why are you responding to me?

At any rate, it has been a thin slice of heaven here. Any reasonable and prudent person, getting the 'high horse' reply like yours, would have had a similar reaction like, "Who the hell do you think you are?"

Virtually all my posts are directed to the subject at hand and not to a person. You made it personal, not me.

I also understand that much of my perspective on things is different from many in this forum... age, no doubt, being the reason. But I believe that makes a forum interesting. If all that is wanted here is a symbiotic, cluster fuck, then perhaps this is not for me.

Once again, all you had to do is not reply to my post. To say you would love to but just don't enjoy doing so is complete bullshit, and you know it.

So, you know what you can do with this post also. And as far as the door is concerned... hey! I am just being me. Nobody wants to be where they are not welcome. If that becomes a consensus, shit... I'll go.

[April40]

Not true at all. A bladed weapon is just as (if not more so) deadly than a gun. We're talking wounds that go to the bone and can be from several inches to up to a foot in length, slicing muscle, veins, arteries, and organs to ribbons.

A bladed instrument (of any kind) is just as much a weapon as any firearm, and you are fooling yourself if you believe you could defend against one (even in the hands of someone totally untrained) because you've seen a few movies or taken a Karate class or two.

This is true. Maybe it's the Texan in me, but guns I had zero fear around. Bring a knife around and it would make me more nervous.

While babysitting a little kid took a kitchen knife out and told me to cry bitch or he would stab me. If only there were knife permits this probably never would have happened. :fly:

Seriously though, guns at work are great. Just because you are at work doesn't mean things won't get violent. I work at an IT placement company and we have locks on the doors where the sales people sit. FOR THAT REASON of crazies trying something.

Gun laws are like abortion laws... everyone has strong opinions and no one can agree. :hs:

[April40]

We know this how? How many gun owners do you know? :confused: I shoot with with sheriffs and federal agents frequently, I've yet to head any of them expresse concern over the non-LEOs they share the range with.

Ruthless, is that you?

[w_a_w]

Ruthless, is that you?

oh shit :fly:

[SemperFly]

Ruthless, is that you?

:lol: never said I'm as good as them or anything, just that they're there (like you'll find at most ranges) and they don't worry that one of us will suddenly decide to pop 'em :p

[KNYTE]

:lol: never said I'm as good as them or anything, just that they're there (like you'll find at most ranges) and they don't worry that one of us will suddenly decide to pop 'em :p

Truth.

When I go to certified ranges (which admittedly is not often because I don't like the "structure" of cert ranges) I see peace officers on a regular basis. The feeling there is always of mutual respect as long as you aren't waving your gun around wildly or shooting while intoxicated.

[SemperFly]

Truth.

When I go to certified ranges (which admittedly is not enough because I don't like the "structure" of cert ranges) I see peace officers on a regular basis. The feeling there is always of mutual respect as long as you aren't waving your gun around wildly or shooting while intoxicated.

yeah sometimes these guys will rent the entire range for the whole day, sometimes it's just individual ones coming in to practice. some of them lament the fact that most of their colleagues don't spend enough time at the range, some of them only fire their service weapons once every quarter or six months for quals.

but LEOs that don't like private gun ownership are a rarity. generally it's usually police chiefs that stir the most shit but they're politicians more than cops

[Dysfunctional]

yeah sometimes these guys will rent the entire range for the whole day, sometimes it's just individual ones coming in to practice. some of them lament the fact that most of their colleagues don't spend enough time at the range, some of them only fire their service weapons once every quarter or six months for quals.

but LEOs that don't like private gun ownership are a rarity. generally it's usually police chiefs that stir the most shit but they're politicians more than cops


My father was rank and file, except he was k9 later in his career.

He would always tell me, "We don't prevent crime we process victims."

He always told women who were battered to get a handgun and learn how to use it. In today's society we have turned our wrath and fear away from the thugs who commit the crimes and onto the firearm that can prevent them. Funny.

[w_a_w]

My father was rank and file, except he was k9 later in his career.

He would always tell me, "We don't prevent crime we process victims."

He always told women who were battered to get a handgun and learn how to use it. In today's society we have turned our wrath and fear away from the thugs who commit the crimes and onto the firearm that can prevent them. Funny.

the bad guy's always been the problem...even if you took away guns people would still find another way to kill each other...I do think people should have to pass a test to have a gun license and have to be retested every few years...you have to do it for cars...why not guns?

I'm not trying to entirely demonize guns either, I just don't think they have any place at work or in schools

[SemperFly]

the bad guy's always been the problem...even if you took away guns people would still find another way to kill each other...I do think people should have to pass a test to have a gun license and have to be retested every few years...you have to do it for cars...why not guns?

I'm not trying to entirely demonize guns either, I just don't think they have any place at work or in schools

I don't mind requiring basic safety course and licensing for someone that wants to carry but not for someone that just owns a firearm. I don't need a license or registration to drive my car