congrats to NYC

[w_a_w]

so NYC is hoping to ban trans fats in all restaurants. good for them. I hope the rest of the country follows suit. your thoughts?

http://www.cnn.com/2006/HEALTH/09/26/trans.fat.ban.ap/index.html

[April40]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

This better not spread. How could I go on?!

[theacoustician]

The ban hasn't passed yet.

[w_a_w]

The ban hasn't passed yet.

correct, I flubbed that detail

[Sarcasmo]

Thank Christ. I thought it said fat trannies.

[zengirl]

Chicago passed a foie gras ban recently. Due to all of the really bad press surrounding the ban, it's expected to be repealed very soon.

[BeerAd]

Crap it might cause me to lose more weight, dam

[Sarcasmo]

I hope people who eat foie gras get force-fed Big Macs until their livers explode.

[SemperFly]

Retarded. This is supposed to be a free country. We're supposed to be free to make our own fucking choices even if those choices are likely to hurt us. The government has zero fucking business deciding what I am allowed to put in my own goddamn body.

[April40]

Retarded. This is supposed to be a free country. We're supposed to be free to make our own fucking choices even if those choices are likely to hurt us. The government has zero fucking business deciding what I am allowed to put in my own goddamn body.

A lot of those people don't know what they are putting in their bodies.

[snoogit]

Retarded. This is supposed to be a free country. We're supposed to be free to make our own fucking choices even if those choices are likely to hurt us. The government has zero fucking business deciding what I am allowed to put in my own goddamn body.

We are also free to know whats going in our bodies, even with the new law that requires transfats to be labeled, most people don't know how much is in their food at a restaurant.

[w_a_w]

A lot of those people don't know what they are putting in their bodies.

precisely...and the overuse of trans fats in foods in the last 20 years is almost certainly directionally proportionate to the rise in obesity nationally

[BeerAd]

Yeah FLYNAVY!!!!!

so you got any crack this week?

[April40]

I'm for anything that makes for a healthier environment.

[Coqui]

Retarded. This is supposed to be a free country. We're supposed to be free to make our own fucking choices even if those choices are likely to hurt us. The government has zero fucking business deciding what I am allowed to put in my own goddamn body.

When the free choice decides to stop suiing companies for making them fat or for getting them addicted to tobacco, then you have an argument.

[SemperFly]

A lot of those people don't know what they are putting in their bodies.

That's their own damned fault. Research the food you eat or quit bitching but just because a bunch of fatasses are pissed off because a Big Mac gave them cottage cheese thighs and love handles does not mean I should be prohibited from eating whatever the fuck I please nor should a business owner be forced to change his menu. He wants to sell me a cheeseburger full of trans fats, I want to eat a cheeseburger full of trans fats. It's between me and the business owner. The fascist fatasses bitching about this can choose to eat a fucking salad but stay the hell out of my diet.We are also free to know whats going in our bodies, even with the new law that requires transfats to be labeled, most people don't know how much is in their food at a restaurant.

We're not "free" to know what's going into our bodies. If you don't know what's going into your body you are "free" to choose to avoid eating that. If you don't like eating at a restaurant that doesn't publish nutrition information that's your choice but I should be allowed to do so. I hate laws that protect people from their own fucking stupidity.

[Sarcasmo]

If someone is fully aware of what a trans fat is and still chooses to suck some down, so be it. But yes we should all be made aware of what they are, what they do, etc. without it just appearing in our food for random ingestion.

http://www.fda.gov/fdac/features/2003/503_fats.html

[Cartoon...]

i think it should be labeled but not banned.

[SemperFly]

When the free choice decides to stop suiing companies for making them fat or for getting them addicted to tobacco, then you have an argument.

Hell I've long since believed that those types of lawsuits need to be thrown out. Suits against fast food joints, tobacco companies and gun manufacturers only serve the purposes of the fucking socialist assholes who want to control how I live my fucking life.

[fly]

Thank God for the government. Now I don't have to think! :rolleyes:

[fly]

When the free choice decides to stop suiing companies for making them fat or for getting them addicted to tobacco, then you have an argument.

Well then maybe this is the issue that needs to be addresses and not the dangers of trans-fats in foods...

[w_a_w]

That's their own damned fault. Research the food you eat or quit bitching but just because a bunch of fatasses are pissed off because a Big Mac gave them cottage cheese thighs and love handles does not mean I should be prohibited from eating whatever the fuck I please nor should a business owner be forced to change his menu. He wants to sell me a cheeseburger full of trans fats, I want to eat a cheeseburger full of trans fats. It's between me and the business owner. The fascist fatasses bitching about this can choose to eat a fucking salad but stay the hell out of my diet.

We're not "free" to know what's going into our bodies. If you don't know what's going into your body you are "free" to choose to avoid eating that. If you don't like eating at a restaurant that doesn't publish nutrition information that's your choice but I should be allowed to do so. I hate laws that protect people from their own fucking stupidity.

what is trans fat doing for anyone that would be missed? did you notice any difference in food at wendy's when they got rid of it? not bloody likely

[SemperFly]

Thank God for the government. Now I don't have to think! :rolleyes:

Yea, I don't know how we could ever survive without good ole Uncle Sam telling us how to live. :omy: I'm scared of personal responsibility.

[Coqui]

Well then maybe this is the issue that needs to be addresses and not the dangers of trans-fats in foods...

This seems to be easier to pass than that.

[SemperFly]

what is trans fat doing for anyone that would be missed? did you notice any difference in food at wendy's when they got rid of it? not bloody likely

No, but that doesn't mean the government has any business banning it. This is a feel good law that is not going to do anything worthwhile. Like banning scary looking guns or lowering speed limits, this won't accomplish shit. It's doing nothing more than setting more precedents for governments to slowly take more and more power away from the people. We are supposed to be the ones in charge. They are hired to serve us.

[w_a_w]

No, but that doesn't mean the government has any business banning it. This is a feel good law that is not going to do anything worthwhile. Like banning scary looking guns or lowering speed limits, this won't accomplish shit. It's doing nothing more than setting more precedents for governments to slowly take more and more power away from the people. We are supposed to be the ones in charge. They are hired to serve us.


that's the equivalent of saying govt groups like the fda shouldn't exist...is that your position?

[Sarcasmo]

what is trans fat doing for anyone that would be missed? did you notice any difference in food at wendy's when they got rid of it? not bloody likely

You can't taste shelf life (until the food goes bad of course). I think in something as already disgusting as a fast food burger the difference is pretty imperceptible.

[BeerAd]

Hell I've long since believed that those types of lawsuits need to be thrown out. Suits against fast food joints, tobacco companies and gun manufacturers only serve the purposes of the fucking socialist assholes who want to control how I live my fucking life.

You are insane to think that people shouldnt be able to sew tobacco companies. They target you as a kid and get you hooked by introducing addictive drug comparable to a heroin addiction. You really dont think of dying of lung cancer at 10 years old and that is who they are targeting. They should not only be sued they should also be hung and killed for the young lives they destroyed. If they were selling a non addictive product and targeting 18+ people I could see your point.

[ChikkenNoodul]

Gods I looove fois gras :drool:

Interestingly enough, I'm in NYC at the moment :fly:

Rode there this morning, I think I'll ask the chef at dinner how he feels about this ban. :p

[BeerAd]

that's the equivalent of saying govt groups like the fda shouldn't exist...is that your position?

rep points given!

[w_a_w]

No, but that doesn't mean the government has any business banning it. This is a feel good law that is not going to do anything worthwhile. Like banning scary looking guns or lowering speed limits, this won't accomplish shit. It's doing nothing more than setting more precedents for governments to slowly take more and more power away from the people. We are supposed to be the ones in charge. They are hired to serve us.

WE DON'T NEED NO STINKIN NTSB, I CAN FLY ANYWHERE I WANT JUST FINE :mad:


:p

[w_a_w]

rep points given!

:cool:

[April40]

Thank God for the government. Now I don't have to think! :rolleyes:

Thank god for your gf as well. Now you don't have to sword fight alone! :rolleyes:

[SemperFly]

that's the equivalent of saying govt groups like the fda shouldn't exist...is that your position?

The FDA in its' current form, hell no. It's a bureaucratic mess that has done more to stifle innovation in the pharmaceutical industry than anything else it's pretended to accomplish. I do feel that a regulatory body is necessary to ensure the safety of the people but minimally. The recent spinach fiasco is a good reason for the FDA to exist but for them to say "Eh, people are too fat so no more unhealthy food." has the possibility of one day leading to "Well red meat is also bad for you. So is chocolate...and eggs and fried chicken and alcohol. Sorry, you can't have those anymore."

Let people make their own decisions.

[reverendsaintjay]

Educate Yourself. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans_fat)

You know what my problem is... Inconsistency. Quoted from the wiki.

The Center for Science in the Public Interest (CSPI) campaigned against fast foods using saturated fats starting in 1984. When fast food companies replaced the saturated fat with trans fat, CSPI's campaign against them ended. CSPI defended trans fats in their 1987 Nutrition Action newsletter. However, by 1992, CSPI began to speak against trans fats and is currently strongly against their use.

So it begs the question. Do I get my panties in a bunch about Trans Fatty Acids now, or do I wait until the next 'fad' to get all flustered?

[SemperFly]

You are insane to think that people shouldnt be able to sew tobacco companies. They target you as a kid and get you hooked by introducing addictive drug comparable to a heroin addiction. You really dont think of dying of lung cancer at 10 years old and that is who they are targeting. They should not only be sued they should also be hung and killed for the young lives they destroyed. If they were selling a non addictive product and targeting 18+ people I could see your point.

sue*

They're not targeting ten year olds, that remains one of the biggest lies of this century right along with SUVs are melting the ice caps and schools need more money. In either case it is a parent's responsibility to keep those things away from their children. Yes, some regulation in advertising is necessary to keep them from actually advertising directly to kids; we don't want Marlboro putting ads in Spongebob comic books.

Not a single person has ever been forced by the tobacco companies to smoke a cigaratte. Not one, not ever. It always always always always always always starts with a fucking choice.

[SemperFly]

WE DON'T NEED NO STINKIN NTSB, I CAN FLY ANYWHERE I WANT JUST FINE :mad:


:p

I didn't say a lack of all regulation is a good idea, just that overregulation is equally as dangerous.

[BeerAd]

The FDA in its' current form, hell no. It's a bureaucratic mess that has done more to stifle innovation in the pharmaceutical industry than anything else it's pretended to accomplish. I do feel that a regulatory body is necessary to ensure the safety of the people but minimally. The recent spinach fiasco is a good reason for the FDA to exist but for them to say "Eh, people are too fat so no more unhealthy food." has the possibility of one day leading to "Well red meat is also bad for you. So is chocolate...and eggs and fried chicken and alcohol. Sorry, you can't have those anymore."

Let people make their own decisions.

they are saying lets ban something that give no nutritional purpose and only harms people. It has been taken out of foods with no change in the taste so why not? I dont see how you think that taking a harmful pointless substance out of our food is the governments first step to ruling the world :fly:

[SemperFly]

they are saying lets ban something that give no nutritional purpose and only harms people. It has been taken out of foods with no change in the taste so why not? I dont see how you think that taking a harmful pointless substance out of our food is the governments first step to ruling the world :fly:

Alcohol has no nutritional purpose and only harms people. Why not? Because this is supposed to be the land of the fucking free and if I want to choke on a tub of trans fat then it's my goddamn right to do so. You have no business telling me what I can and cannot eat.

[zengirl]

sue*

They're not targeting ten year olds, that remains one of the biggest lies of this century right along with SUVs are melting the ice caps and schools need more money. In either case it is a parent's responsibility to keep those things away from their children. Yes, some regulation in advertising is necessary to keep them from actually advertising directly to kids; we don't want Marlboro putting ads in Spongebob comic books.

Not a single person has ever been forced by the tobacco companies to smoke a cigaratte. Not one, not ever. It always always always always always always starts with a fucking choice.

No, it's the inescapable subliminal messaging present in all advertising man... we're totally helpless and cannot think for ourselves. We need someone else to tell us what is safe at all times, otherwise, who the hell do we have to blame when shit goes bad?

[BeerAd]

sue*

They're not targeting ten year olds, that remains one of the biggest lies of this century right along with SUVs are melting the ice caps and schools need more money. In either case it is a parent's responsibility to keep those things away from their children. Yes, some regulation in advertising is necessary to keep them from actually advertising directly to kids; we don't want Marlboro putting ads in Spongebob comic books.

Not a single person has ever been forced by the tobacco companies to smoke a cigaratte. Not one, not ever. It always always always always always always starts with a fucking choice.

thanks for the pointless correction of my spelling* :fly:

So camel coming out with cigarettes that taste like candy and have boxes that look like candy is not a direct relation to them targeting kids? How can you say that they are not targeting little kids with flavors like orange dreams and strawberry wonderland, haha.

[zengirl]

they are saying lets ban something that give no nutritional purpose and only harms people. It has been taken out of foods with no change in the taste so why not? I dont see how you think that taking a harmful pointless substance out of our food is the governments first step to ruling the world :fly:

So, why ban trans fat and not cigarettes?

[BeerAd]

So, why ban trans fat and not cigarettes?

THATS WHAT IM SAYING, lol

they should both be banned

[SemperFly]

thanks for the pointless correction of my spelling* :fly:

So camel coming out with cigarettes that taste like candy and have boxes that look like candy is not a direct relation to them targeting kids? How can you say that they are not targeting little kids with flavors like orange dreams and strawberry wonderland, haha.

What if I want a fucking cigarette that tastes like candy? Those "truth.org" ads are as disgustingly misleading as anything Phillip-Morris has ever put out. They spin as much as Michael Moore.

[zengirl]

THATS WHAT IM SAYING, lol

they should both be banned

Well, then why not ban everything else that's bad for you? Lets ban coffee, eggs, butter, bacon, pollution, cars, trucks, trains, ships, prime time television, violent video games, rap and opera.

[April40]

Alcohol has no nutritional purpose and only harms people. Why not? Because this is supposed to be the land of the fucking free and if I want to choke on a tub of trans fat then it's my goddamn right to do so. You have no business telling me what I can and cannot eat.

You sound like a little kid throwing a fit to their mom about not being able to play nintendo before the homework is done.

:runsandhides:

[April40]

Well, then why not ban everything else that's bad for you? Lets ban coffee, eggs, butter, bacon, pollution, cars, trucks, trains, ships, prime time television, violent video games, rap and opera.

Beer and alochol as well please.

[Coqui]

thanks for the pointless correction of my spelling* :fly:

So camel coming out with cigarettes that taste like candy and have boxes that look like candy is not a direct relation to them targeting kids? How can you say that they are not targeting little kids with flavors like orange dreams and strawberry wonderland, haha.

Targeting women.

[Coqui]

Alcohol has no nutritional purpose and only harms people.

Actually it does.

Read up on the benefits of 1 beer or 1 glass of red wine ;)

[SemperFly]

No, it's the inescapable subliminal messaging present in all advertising man... we're totally helpless and cannot think for ourselves. We need someone else to tell us what is safe at all times, otherwise, who the hell do we have to blame when shit goes bad?
Makes me fucking sick. I'm sick and tired of people deciding what's good for me. Life is about choices and as long as my choices do not directly infringe on the rights of others then let me make my own goddamn choices and live my life as I fucking see fit. But no, people would rather have their little government safety nets because they feel "as long as they're not banning something that I like it's perfectly ok!"

:rolleyes: yet when someone dares to suggest that the public take a little bit of personal responsibility instead of putting yet more power into the hands of the public servants who are supposed to be elected to serve us suddenly it's paranoid delusions of an Emmanuel Goldstien wannabe

[w_a_w]

sue*

They're not targeting ten year olds, that remains one of the biggest lies of this century right along with SUVs are melting the ice caps and schools need more money. In either case it is a parent's responsibility to keep those things away from their children. Yes, some regulation in advertising is necessary to keep them from actually advertising directly to kids; we don't want Marlboro putting ads in Spongebob comic books.

Not a single person has ever been forced by the tobacco companies to smoke a cigaratte. Not one, not ever. It always always always always always always starts with a fucking choice.


they aren't taking away the cheeseburger or the fries, etc...if tobacco companies were putting bird flu in cigs for no reason, shouldn't that be fixed? this is no different

[zengirl]

Beer and alochol as well please.

Because current studies show that 1-2 drinks daily can reduce your risk of heart disease

[w_a_w]

What if I want a fucking cigarette that tastes like candy? Those "truth.org" ads are as disgustingly misleading as anything Phillip-Morris has ever put out. They spin as much as Michael Moore.

people NEED food, they don't NEED cigarettes...policing potentially deadly shit in food is a necessity, period...you know what you're getting yourself into when you light up but more often than not, you don't know exactly what you are getting when you eat at a restaurant

[zengirl]

they aren't taking away the cheeseburger or the fries, etc...if tobacco companies were putting bird flu in cigs for no reason, shouldn't that be fixed? this is no different

How are cigarettes NOT bad for you?

[zengirl]

people NEED food, they don't NEED cigarettes...policing potentially deadly shit in food is a necessity, period...you know what you're getting yourself into when you light up but more often than not, you don't know exactly what you are getting when you eat at a restaurant

People don't NEED fast food or restaurants where trans fats may be hidden. :fly:

[SemperFly]

You sound like a little kid throwing a fit to their mom about not being able to play nintendo before the homework is done.

:runsandhides:

Because this shit pisses me off. This is why I can't go home and smoke a fucking joint after work. This is why I can't carry my firearm if I decide to go into Chicago, one of the most crime ridden cities in the nation. This is why I can't buy a new car without a GPS tracking system that tells anyone with the capability of manipulating On-Star's service where I am. This is why I can't buy a violent video game without having to pull out my ID.

Yes I'm pitching a goddamn conniption because right now there are men and women in a shithole of a country putting their lives on the line for someone else's freedom, people being shot at by those with the attitudes that their narrow minded ideals should dictate the morality of others yet people in this fucking country are happy to sign away the very concepts of liberty to feel safer, to pass the blame onto someone else so they don't have to take some fucking responsibility for their own actions.

I am tired of these motherfucking snakes on this motherfucking plane. :mad:

[snoogit]

i think it should be labeled but not banned.

exactly!

Some restaurants have started to put nutritional info on their food (Like McDonald's) other have nutritional facts along with their menus if you ask (which I do sometimes)

Its nice to know if a particular item has trans fat in it, but Making it illegal, or banned isn't exactly a goal worth fighting. Although the "War on Trans Fat" would be immensely easier then any other war on illegal substances if we ever got to that point.

[SemperFly]

they aren't taking away the cheeseburger or the fries, etc...if tobacco companies were putting bird flu in cigs for no reason, shouldn't that be fixed? this is no different

Yes it is. Bird flu is known disease. There's no reason to be putting that in there. But transitive fats are not this magic substance cooked up by the McDonald's corporation to make people fat.

[w_a_w]

How are cigarettes NOT bad for you?

I never said anything of the sort denying that

[SemperFly]

people NEED food, they don't NEED cigarettes...policing potentially deadly shit in food is a necessity, period...you know what you're getting yourself into when you light up but more often than not, you don't know exactly what you are getting when you eat at a restaurant

And people who don't take the time to find out what they're putting in their own bodies should quit their fucking bitching. Either take some responsibility for your own choices or not but leave my diet the fuck out of it.

[Sarcasmo]

thanks for the pointless correction of my spelling* :fly:

So camel coming out with cigarettes that taste like candy and have boxes that look like candy is not a direct relation to them targeting kids? How can you say that they are not targeting little kids with flavors like orange dreams and strawberry wonderland, haha.

I'm going to disagree. I think saying that those target kids is sensationalist. I think they target the same discerning young adults who also like to go out to happy hours and drink varieties of flavored cocktails with friends. People who enjoy options. I don't see little kids outside of bars begging for Mai Tais or Royal Fucks.

[w_a_w]

Because this shit pisses me off. This is why I can't go home and smoke a fucking joint after work. This is why I can't carry my firearm if I decide to go into Chicago, one of the most crime ridden cities in the nation. This is why I can't buy a new car without a GPS tracking system that tells anyone with the capability of manipulating On-Star's service where I am. This is why I can't buy a violent video game without having to pull out my ID.

Yes I'm pitching a goddamn conniption because right now there are men and women in a shithole of country putting their lives on the line for someone else's freedom, people being shot at by those with the attitudes that their narrow minded ideals should dictate the morality of others yet people in this fucking country and happy to sign away the very concepts of liberty to feel safer, to pass the blame onto someone else so they don't have to take some fucking responsibility for their own actions.

I am tired of these motherfucking snakes on this motherfucking plane. :mad:

putting their lives on the line for our freedom?? HAHAHAHAHAH
OIL WAR, LOL

[ChikkenNoodul]

Everybody that fucking drinks water dies, it's the deadliest substance on the planet right after a mixture of 79% nitrogen and ~21% oxygen.

Anyone who thinks suing tobacco companies is okay is reaching a LITTLE too far. Who in the fuck above a 3 IQ would think that sticking burning leaves into your mouth and sucking on them could POSSIBLY be remotely good for you?

Everything kills, everything causes cancer, (I should know, I avoided all the "bad" ones before I got it), stop all the bullshit and get on with what life we have left already.

[SemperFly]

putting their lives on the line for our freedom?? HAHAHAHAHAH
OIL WAR, LOL

for someone else's freedom

[w_a_w]

And people who don't take the time to find out what they're putting in their own bodies should quit their fucking bitching. Either take some responsibility for your own choices or not but leave my diet the fuck out of it.

jesus, you're being an idiot :lol:

NO ONE is taking away what you can eat...want to eat burgers til your colon explodes? GO FOR IT...this is an unnecessary ingredient that is making our WHOLE COUNTRY FAT, AND is a burden on the health care system too

[Sarcasmo]

How are cigarettes NOT bad for you?

Have you ever smoked a bunch of cigarettes and then gone for a jog? They encourage you to inhale like 3 times as much oxygen as normal to keep going. You need oxygen to live. Therefore smoking is beneficial.

[zengirl]

jesus, you're being an idiot :lol:

NO ONE is taking away what you can eat...want to eat burgers til your colon explodes? GO FOR IT...this is an unnecessary ingredient that is making our WHOLE COUNTRY FAT, AND is a burden on the health care system too

But why ban trans fats when there are so many other things that are even worse for you, more of a drain on the healthcare system and more rampant in our society?

[SemperFly]

jesus, you're being an idiot :lol:

NO ONE is taking away what you can eat...want to eat burgers til your colon explodes? GO FOR IT...this is an unnecessary ingredient that is making our WHOLE COUNTRY FAT, AND is a burden on the health care system too

First of all trans fats do occur naturally though I understand they're currently used just to save money in preparation of processed foods. If I want to eat a fucking cheeseburger made with 90% trans fats that should be my right. I don't care if it has no nutritional value nor do I care what other people's reasons are for not liking it. My fucking choice.

The whole country is fat due to the collective laziness of America, not just the food. The strain on the health care system is due to insurance companies that we willingly patronize allowing diseases stemming from unhealthy diets to be covered.

The bottom line is that no one should have the authority to decide what goes into my body. Not a fucking soul.
But why ban trans fats when there are so many other things that are even worse for you, more of a drain on the healthcare system and more rampant in our society?

like illegal mexishens

[zengirl]

Have you ever smoked a bunch of cigarettes and then gone for a jog? They encourage you to inhale like 3 times as much oxygen as normal to keep going. You need oxygen to live. Therefore smoking is beneficial.

You know why cigarettes aren't banned? The ONLY reason they're still out there? Taxes.

If there were some sort of tax on trans fat, no way in hell would it be banned, it's not about health it's about money

[snoogit]

But why ban trans fats when there are so many other things that are even worse for you, more of a drain on the healthcare system and more rampant in our society?

such as?

I guess I don't understand whats worse then Trans Fats thats not banned or has age restrictions?

[w_a_w]

But why ban trans fats when there are so many other things that are even worse for you, more of a drain on the healthcare system and more rampant in our society?

people have the right to smoke and drink...big business will not let those be band, ever...nor will the tons of people who use them

this is something that is a completely unnecessary health risk AND serves no real purpose...if you could get a buzz from trans fat I might be on the other side of the fence here :lol:

[BeerAd]

All I can say is if you dont like the laws here and you dont like your freedom stepped on because our government is taking control then...


MOVE

[ChikkenNoodul]

Ummm, w_a_w, uhhh - have you ever talked to 'nev? Of COURSE you can get a buzz from trans fat :drool:

[Coqui]

All I can say is if you dont like the laws here and you dont like your freedom stepped on because our government is taking control then...


MOVE

Blame Canada

[snoogit]

All I can say is if you dont like the laws here and you dont like your freedom stepped on because our government is taking control then...


MOVE

Cuba here I come! *toot* *toot*


oh... crap.

[SemperFly]

AND serves no real purpose

If it served no real purpose it wouldn't be used. It saves those companies money. Don't like it? Don't buy the food. If enough people agree with you the companies that do things like that will go out of business.

That's how a free market works. Self-regulating. People want trans fats because they like cheap big macs. Voting with one's wallet is far more important than passing feel good laws.

[zengirl]

people have the right to smoke and drink...big business will not let those be band, ever...nor will the tons of people who use them

this is something that is a completely unnecessary health risk AND serves no real purpose...if you could get a buzz from trans fat I might be on the other side of the fence here :lol:

I think it's just useless legislation, that's all. It's wasteful of governmental resources. It's really retarded that insurance companies are getting rich, showing record profits while the average joe can't afford insurance, family doctors are going out of practice because they can't cover their malpractice insurance and we're banning trans fats.

it's really stupid. No wonder the rest of the world laughs at us

[SemperFly]

All I can say is if you dont like the laws here and you dont like your freedom stepped on because our government is taking control then...


MOVE

honestly that's the stupidest fucking argument coming from either end of the fence. it's equally as retarded coming from a liberal as from a conservative

[BeerAd]

I'm going to disagree. I think saying that those target kids is sensationalist. I think they target the same discerning young adults who also like to go out to happy hours and drink varieties of flavored cocktails with friends. People who enjoy options. I don't see little kids outside of bars begging for Mai Tais or Royal Fucks.

I dont see how you cannot think tobacco companies are not targeting youth, lol. Ask 10 little kids and they probably wouldnt have a clue what a Mai Tai is. Ask them what a strawberry is they will know. It is natural when your company makes a living off of killing people to start trying to find new users. The younger the user the more chance of getting them hooked, for life. You really dont think that tobacco companies frown upon having little kids smoke do you?

[w_a_w]

If it served no real purpose it wouldn't be used. It saves those companies money. Don't like it? Don't buy the food. If enough people agree with you the companies that do things like that will go out of business.

That's how a free market works. Self-regulating. People want trans fats because they like cheap big macs. Voting with one's wallet is far more important than passing feel good laws.


big business would sell you rat poison painted as a burger if they could get away with it...I can guarantee you no consumer ever said,"You know, this would be 10x better if it just had trans fats!!!" :fly:

[reverendsaintjay]

Update: No one reads my links, do they?

Trans fats have not been proven (conclusively) to have an adverse effect on obesity.

The reason they are being banned is due to the fact that they roughly double the risk of Coronary Heart Disease.

Since no one clicks links, here we go...

Coronary heart disease

The primary health risk identified for trans fat consumption is an elevated risk of coronary heart disease (CHD).[17] A comprehensive review of studies of trans fats was published in 2006 in the New England Journal of Medicine that concludes that there is a strong and reliable connection between trans fats and CHD.[3]

The major evidence for the effect of trans fat on CHD comes from the Nurses' Health Study (NHS) — a cohort study that has been following 120,000 female nurses since its inception in 1976.

Hu and colleagues analyzed data from 900 coronary events from the NHS population during 14 years of followup. He determined that a nurse's CHD risk roughly doubled (relative risk of 1.94) for each 2% increase in trans fat calories consumed (instead of carbohydrate calories). By contrast, it takes more than a 15% increase in saturated fat calories (instead of carbohydrate calories) to produce a similar increase in risk. Eating non-trans unsaturated fats instead of carbohydrates reduces the risk of CHD rather than increasing it.[18]

Hu also reports on the benefits of reducing trans fat consumption. Replacing 2% of food energy from trans fat with non-trans unsaturated fats more than halves the risk of CHD (53%). By comparison, replacing a larger 5% of food energy from saturated fat with non-trans unsatured fats reduces the risk of CHD by 43%.[18]

There are two accepted measures of risk for coronary heart disease, both blood tests. The first considers ratios of two types of cholesterol, the other the amount a cell-signalling cytokine called C-reactive protein. The ratio test is more accepted, while the cytokine test may be more powerful but is still being studied.[17] The effect of trans fat consumption has been documented on each as follows:

* Cholesterol ratio: This ratio compares the levels of LDL (so-called "bad" cholesterol) to HDL (so-called "good" cholesterol). Trans fat behaves like saturated fat by raising the level of LDL, but unlike saturated fat it has the additional effect of decreasing levels of HDL. The net increase in LDL/HDL ratio with trans fat is approximately double that due to saturated fat.[19] (Higher ratios are worse.)

* C-reactive protein (CRP): A study of over 700 nurses showed that those in the highest quartile of trans fat consumption had blood levels of CRP that was 73% higher than those in the lowest quartile.[20]

Another study considered deaths due to CHD, with consumption of trans fats being linked to an increase in mortality, and consumption of polyunsaturated fats being linked to a decrease in mortality.[17][21]


and

Other effects

There has been suggestion that the negative consequences of trans fat consumption go beyond the cardiovascular risk. In general, there is much less scientific consensus that eating trans fat specifically increases the risk of other chronic health problems:

* Cancer: There is no scientific consensus that consumption of trans fats significantly increase cancer risks across the board.[17] The American Cancer Society states that relationship between trans fats and cancer "has not been determined."[22] Although one recent study has found connections between trans fat and prostate cancer.[23]

* Diabetes: There is a growing concern that the risk of diabetes increases with trans fat consumption.[17] However, again consensus has not been reached.[3] For example, one study found that risk is higher for those in the highest quartile of trans fat consumption.[24] Another study has found no diabetes risk once other factors such as total fat intake and BMI were accounted for.[25]

* Obesity: Research with monkeys indicates that trans fat may increase weight gain and abdominal fat, despite a similar caloric intake [26]. A 6-year experiment revealed that monkeys fed a trans-fat diet gained 7.2% of their body weight, as compared to 1.8% for monkeys on the mono-unsaturated fat diet. Although obesity is frequently linked to trans fat in the popular media[27] this is generally in the context of eating too many calories; there is no scientific consensus connecting trans fat and obesity.

* Liver Dysfunction: Trans fats are metabolized differently by the liver than other fats and interfere with delta 6 desaturase. Delta 6 desaturase is an enzyme involved in converting essential fatty acids to arachidonic acid and prostaglandins, both of which are important to the functioning of cells[28].


I know, I'm just being silly by bringing this up. It's not like obesity has any better relation to Trans Fat than Bush, the war in Iraq, Oil and Big Tobacco. Yet somehow they all managed to wind up in this thread. :P

[BeerAd]

honestly that's the stupidest fucking argument coming from either end of the fence. it's equally as retarded coming from a liberal as from a conservative

why is it? if you have such a pissy attitude about the way the government is run then dont be here. I cant stand all of you people who cry about how the government is taking over and you dont do shit about it. If you hate the injustice so dam much then honestly, you can leave.

[zengirl]

big business would sell you rat poison painted as a burger if they could get away with it...I can guarantee you no consumer ever said,"You know, this would be 10x better if it just had trans fats!!!" :fly:

Don't you think that the time and money spent banning trans fats could have been better spent?

[BeerAd]

Blame Canada

BASTERDS!!!! dam there free health care!!!!

oh wait, i was born there, doh!

[April40]

Because this shit pisses me off. This is why I can't go home and smoke a fucking joint after work. This is why I can't carry my firearm if I decide to go into Chicago, one of the most crime ridden cities in the nation. This is why I can't buy a new car without a GPS tracking system that tells anyone with the capability of manipulating On-Star's service where I am. This is why I can't buy a violent video game without having to pull out my ID.

Yes I'm pitching a goddamn conniption because right now there are men and women in a shithole of a country putting their lives on the line for someone else's freedom, people being shot at by those with the attitudes that their narrow minded ideals should dictate the morality of others yet people in this fucking country are happy to sign away the very concepts of liberty to feel safer, to pass the blame onto someone else so they don't have to take some fucking responsibility for their own actions.

I am tired of these motherfucking snakes on this motherfucking plane. :mad:
Is this about trans-fat still?

[zengirl]

why is it? if you have such a pissy attitude about the way the government is run then dont be here. I cant stand all of you people who cry about how the government is taking over and you dont do shit about it. If you hate the injustice so dam much then honestly, you can leave.

Actually, you know... he's taking a stand and sharing his views with others with the intention of gathering support for his cause. This can be effective in our government since, given enough support, any cause can be championed. Shit, they banned trans fats in New York for crying out loud. :tard:

[BeerAd]

Typing on a forum is one thing, actually doing something about it and taking an action is something completely different. But most people who complain about this stuff wont ever do anything about it. All I am saying is that you have 3 choices that I see...

1. Do something to change it
2. Leave so you dont have to deal with it
3. Keep crying about it

[SemperFly]

why is it? if you have such a pissy attitude about the way the government is run then dont be here. I cant stand all of you people who cry about how the government is taking over and you dont do shit about it. If you hate the injustice so dam much then honestly, you can leave.

Because the fact that you believe that's even a logical argument shows a gross lack of understanding of the core ideals of this country. When you see injustice you don't pussy out and fucking leave, you do your best to change it. :tard:

[zengirl]

Typing on a forum is one thing, actually doing something about it and taking an action is something completely different. But most people who complain about this stuff wont ever do anything about it. All I am saying is that you have 3 choices that I see...

1. Do something to change it
2. Leave so you dont have to deal with it
3. Keep crying about it

Luckily for everyone, Flynavy doesn't live in New York.

[w_a_w]

Update: No one reads my links, do they?

Trans fats have not been proven (conclusively) to have an adverse effect on obesity.

The reason they are being banned is due to the fact that they roughly double the risk of Coronary Heart Disease.

Since no one clicks links, here we go...




and




I know, I'm just being silly by bringing this up. It's not like obesity has any better relation to Trans Fat than Bush, the war in Iraq, Oil and Big Tobacco. Yet somehow they all managed to wind up in this thread. :P



it says that the trans fat eating monkey was roughly 5% fatter then it concludes by saying it doesn't make you fat....doesn't make any sense :confused:

[Sarcasmo]

I dont see how you cannot think tobacco companies are not targeting youth, lol. Ask 10 little kids and they probably wouldnt have a clue what a Mai Tai is. Ask them what a strawberry is they will know. It is natural when your company makes a living off of killing people to start trying to find new users. The younger the user the more chance of getting them hooked, for life. You really dont think that tobacco companies frown upon having little kids smoke do you?

Just because someone uses strawberry flavoring doesn't mean they're targeting little kids. What else are they going to call a pack of strawberry flavored cigarettes? It's not a beverage with its own pronoun. It's a pack of smokes. So as opposed to calling it a "de Tocqueville" they called it something that says "Hey, this has a strawberry flavor" in order to avoid confusion.

"What the fuck's a de Tocqueville?"
"I don't know, but this shit tastes like strawberries."

As for killing its demographic, people have been smoking FOREVER. Before addictive chemicals, before any of that shit. What was hooking them then? Their enjoyment. I've smoked off an on for like 8 years. I just like the taste of it. After a good meal, go outside and polish off a smoke. Nothing like it. It's hard to describe to someone who doesn't do it or has never had one. And then I can go for 5 or 6 months without needing or caring about it, until I say "Shit, I'm gonna have a smoke" again. Not everyone who smokes is a mindless zombie dependent on obscure chemicals, and most people who smoke never die and never get any disease whatsoever. Fact.

And no, I don't think Big Tobacco cares if kids smoke, any more than Big Beer cares if they drink, or Big Auto cares if they drive. I just don't think they're being targeted.

[BeerAd]

Because the fact that you believe that's even a logical argument shows a gross lack of understanding of the core ideals of this country. When you see injustice you don't pussy out and fucking leave, you do your best to change it. :tard:

What are you actively doing to change it?

[SemperFly]

Is this about trans-fat still?

I'm in a bad mood today. Liberals piss me off yet I'm trying to sleep with one. I'm a fucking moron. :tard:

[April40]

First of all trans fats do occur naturally though I understand they're currently used just to save money in preparation of processed foods. If I want to eat a fucking cheeseburger made with 90% trans fats that should be my right. I don't care if it has no nutritional value nor do I care what other people's reasons are for not liking it. My fucking choice.

The whole country is fat due to the collective laziness of America, not just the food. The strain on the health care system is due to insurance companies that we willingly patronize allowing diseases stemming from unhealthy diets to be covered.

The bottom line is that no one should have the authority to decide what goes into my body. Not a fucking soul.




Quit using the f word, it's making it hard for me to take you seriously. :heart:

[BeerAd]

Just because someone uses strawberry flavoring doesn't mean they're targeting little kids. What else are they going to call a pack of strawberry flavored cigarettes? It's not a beverage with its own pronoun. It's a pack of smokes. So as opposed to calling it a "de Tocqueville" they called it something that says "Hey, this has a strawberry flavor" in order to avoid confusion.

"What the fuck's a de Tocqueville?"
"I don't know, but this shit tastes like strawberries."

As for killing its demographic, people have been smoking FOREVER. Before addictive chemicals, before any of that shit. What was hooking them then? Their enjoyment. I've smoked off an on for like 8 years. I just like the taste of it. After a good meal, go outside and polish off a smoke. Nothing like it. It's hard to describe to someone who doesn't do it or has never had one. And then I can go for 5 or 6 months without needing or caring about it, until I say "Shit, I'm gonna have a smoke" again. Not everyone who smokes is a mindless zombie dependent on obscure chemicals, and most people who smoke never die and never get any disease whatsoever. Fact.

And no, I don't think Big Tobacco cares if kids smoke, any more than Big Beer cares if they drink, or Big Auto cares if they drive. I just don't think they're being targeted.


True, I started smoking really really young so I have a different opinion coming from first hand. I have tried and tried and tried to quit but I cant seem to make it without. I have a very addictive personality which is why I had to be careful "experimenting with drugs" as a kid.

[April40]

This is really weird, I'm actually agreeing with WAW on his arguement.

[reverendsaintjay]

it says that the trans fat eating monkey was roughly 5% fatter then it concludes by saying it doesn't make you fat....doesn't make any sense :confused:

The study was one among many, and the researchers have yet to obtain consensus as to what results mean what. Most physicians believe that it's the added calories in a high trans fat diet that causes obesity, not specifically the fat content.

[zengirl]

it says that the trans fat eating monkey was roughly 5% fatter then it concludes by saying it doesn't make you fat....doesn't make any sense :confused:

No.

The study said that the trans fat mokey gained 7% of its body weight while the non trans fat monkey gained 2% of it's body weight... so in relation to human terms, in 6 years a 150 pound man would gain 16 pounds in 6 years as opposed to 3 pounds over 6 years... those 13 pounds don't make one obese, as the article was talking about obesity. Further it went on to say that obesity was more a result of caloric intake rather than trans fats.

The ONLY real health concern with trans fats is chronic heart disease, more specifically, CHD in WOMEN.

[SemperFly]

What are you actively doing to change it?

For starters I vote unlike so many other people that bitch. I've written and called my Senators and Representative on more than one occassion in the past couple years (Obama's office is staffed with fucking douchebags, btw). I don't see myself getting into politics but I do my best to explain my points of view and to get people to understand why liberty and personal responsibility are the only ways this country is going to sustain itself at the top of the food chain. I support organizations that actively fight for the protection of civil rights and civil liberties.

[SemperFly]

Quit using the f word, it's making it hard for me to take you seriously. :heart:

mea culpa, mea culpa mea maxima culpa

I'll try to tone it down.

[Sarcasmo]

Vote Sharpton for president.

[April40]

mea culpa, mea culpa mea maxima culpa

I'll try to tone it down.

I'm sorry. It's just hard to believe what people are saying when they are serious when you see cuss words in their speech. All you can think about is... <insert what you think about a person when they cuss 24/7>

[April40]

Vote for George Clooney for President 2008.

[zengirl]

I'm sorry. It's just hard to believe what people are saying when they are serious when you see cuss words in their speech. All you can think about is... <insert what you think about a person when they cuss 24/7>

He types the same way he talks

[BeerAd]

For starters I vote unlike so many other people that bitch. I've written and called my Senators and Representative on more than one occassion in the past couple years (Obama's office is staffed with fucking douchebags, btw). I don't see myself getting into politics but I do my best to explain my points of view and to get people to understand why liberty and personal responsibility are the only ways this country is going to sustain itself at the top of the food chain. I support organizations that actively fight for the protection of civil rights and civil liberties.

Hey Hey congrats but I still think you should throw a pep rally. hehe jk It is nice to know that one of you people actually stands up for what they believe and not just cry about it. If you are this into it though I suggest you get into politics because that is the only way you will have a chance to change anything.

[April40]

He types the same way he talks

I don't hear you.

[SemperFly]

I'm sorry. It's just hard to believe what people are saying when they are serious when you see cuss words in their speech. All you can think about is... <insert what you think about a person when they cuss 24/7>

I understand. I'll try to tone it down. I just get colorful when I'm passionate about something. :o It's a versatile word and I feel it expresses my opinions better than most other adjectives in similar context.

[BeerAd]

I don't hear you.

What?

[snoogit]

Vote for George Clooney for President 2008.

I would like to add Michael J. Fox to this list please.

[BeerAd]

I would like to add Michael J. Fox to this list please.

who?

[BeerAd]

I understand. I'll try to tone it down. I just get colorful when I'm passionate about something. :o It's a versatile word and I feel it expresses my opinions better than most other adjectives in similar context.

where?

[BeerAd]

He types the same way he talks

when?

[Sarcasmo]

I would like to add Michael J. Fox to this list please.

How do you say "I'm a shaky doughnut" in German?

[BeerAd]

Sorry I am really hungover and bored, haha

[snoogit]

who?

You gotta be shitting me.

[snoogit]

How do you say "I'm a shaky doughnut" in German?

Ich bin ein wackeliger Schaumgummiring


(damn thats a long word for donut)

[SemperFly]

Hey Hey congrats but I still think you should throw a pep rally. hehe jk It is nice to know that one of you people actually stands up for what they believe and not just cry about it. If you are this into it though I suggest you get into politics because that is the only way you will have a chance to change anything.

Perhaps but I really don't want the public prying into my personal life. :p

[April40]

I understand. I'll try to tone it down. I just get colorful when I'm passionate about something. :o It's a versatile word and I feel it expresses my opinions better than most other adjectives in similar context.
:heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart:


You don't have to do anything. Im not the gov't telling you what to do.

[Sarcasmo]

Ich bin ein wackeliger Schaumgummiring


(damn thats a long word for donut)

wack a liger?

[BeerAd]

You gotta be shitting me.

What? Where? When?

[BeerAd]

wack a liger?

bwhahahahah :heart:

[Sarcasmo]

What? Where? When?

Shit. On his person. Around the time of your post.

[snoogit]

What? Where? When?

Bring the cans, 32nd Street, 6 PM.

[BeerAd]

Perhaps but I really don't want the BeeRad prying into my ass. :p

fxt

[BeerAd]

Bring the cans, 32nd Street, 6 PM.

packed but 32nd in st pete or what? lol

[zengirl]

I don't hear you.

He swears a lot when he's on a good rant

[BeerAd]

Shit. On his person. Around the time of your post.

This is sounding like its going somewhere good:drool:

[snoogit]

packed but 32nd in st pete or what? lol

Damn if you're in Florida, well forget it then. It's too cold here for you :P

[BeerAd]

Damn you're in Florida, well forget it then. It's too cold here for you :P

<<grew up in Canada, think I can handle a little wittle pittle of cold weather, haha

[w_a_w]

No.

The study said that the trans fat mokey gained 7% of its body weight while the non trans fat monkey gained 2% of it's body weight... so in relation to human terms, in 6 years a 150 pound man would gain 16 pounds in 6 years as opposed to 3 pounds over 6 years... those 13 pounds don't make one obese, as the article was talking about obesity. Further it went on to say that obesity was more a result of caloric intake rather than trans fats.

The ONLY real health concern with trans fats is chronic heart disease, more specifically, CHD in WOMEN.


unless the person was working out, that's 13 pounds of FAT...given the generally lazy and sedentary lifestyle most people in the US live, that's pretty much a guarantee it's fat :p

[BeerAd]

Oh yeah, Im going home, see yall tomorrow

[SemperFly]

:heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart:


You don't have to do anything. Im not the gov't telling you what to do.

In the public square I have the right to free speech and say whatever I please but this is a privately owned forum and thus subject to the rules and regulations of the proprietor. I'll watch my language just as if I were in your home. :)

[w_a_w]

This is really weird, I'm actually agreeing with WAW on his arguement.

IMPENDING APOCALYPSE

[zengirl]

unless the person was working out, that's 13 pounds of FAT...given the generally lazy and sedentary lifestyle most people in the US live, that's pretty much a guarantee it's fat :p

That's not obese

[w_a_w]

That's not obese

if that's an average it certainly does amount to A LOT of HUGE LARDASSES :fly:

[SemperFly]

packed but 32nd in st pete or what? lol

31st or 34th, 32nd isn't a continuous main road so it runs through a million ghetto neighborhoods

lol pinellas park :egads:

[zengirl]

if that's an average it certainly does amount to A LOT of HUGE LARDASSES :fly:

13 pounds overweight is a lardass?

dang

:(

[Pandora]

That's their own damned fault. Research the food you eat or quit bitching but just because a bunch of fatasses are pissed off because a Big Mac gave them cottage cheese thighs and love handles does not mean I should be prohibited from eating whatever the fuck I please nor should a business owner be forced to change his menu. He wants to sell me a cheeseburger full of trans fats, I want to eat a cheeseburger full of trans fats. It's between me and the business owner. The fascist fatasses bitching about this can choose to eat a fucking salad but stay the hell out of my diet.

We're not "free" to know what's going into our bodies. If you don't know what's going into your body you are "free" to choose to avoid eating that. If you don't like eating at a restaurant that doesn't publish nutrition information that's your choice but I should be allowed to do so. I hate laws that protect people from their own fucking stupidity.

:heart: :heart: :heart:

Because this shit pisses me off. This is why I can't go home and smoke a fucking joint after work. This is why I can't carry my firearm if I decide to go into Chicago, one of the most crime ridden cities in the nation. This is why I can't buy a new car without a GPS tracking system that tells anyone with the capability of manipulating On-Star's service where I am. This is why I can't buy a violent video game without having to pull out my ID.

Yes I'm pitching a goddamn conniption because right now there are men and women in a shithole of a country putting their lives on the line for someone else's freedom, people being shot at by those with the attitudes that their narrow minded ideals should dictate the morality of others yet people in this fucking country are happy to sign away the very concepts of liberty to feel safer, to pass the blame onto someone else so they don't have to take some fucking responsibility for their own actions.

I am tired of these motherfucking snakes on this motherfucking plane. :mad:

I can't give you any more rep. :(

So: :cool: :heart: :heart: :heart:

[w_a_w]

13 pounds overweight is a lardass?

dang

:(

average, dear...if 13 lbs overweight is the avg, that means there are people on the higher side of the avg gaining A LOT more

[snoogit]

31st or 34th, 32nd isn't a continuous main road so it runs through a million ghetto neighborhoods

lol pinellas park :egads:

hmm same here, except our 32nd runs through Kentwood and Wyoming, about the same as Pinella's Park I'm sure.

[zengirl]

average, dear...if 13 lbs overweight is the avg, that means there are people on the higher side of the avg gaining A LOT more

and on the lower side not gaining as much...

The conclusion is that trans fats cannot be held responsible for the country's obesity problem.

[w_a_w]

and on the lower side not gaining as much...

The conclusion is that trans fats cannot be held responsible for the country's obesity problem.

if the avg person is gaining 13lbs from it, how can you say that???...that means some people could be gaining over 100!!

[Sarcasmo]

and on the lower side not gaining as much...

The conclusion is that trans fats cannot be held responsible for the country's obesity problem.

Yes they can. All tests show that they contribute to the problem in a dietarily significant way. Therefore there is shared accountability.

[SemperFly]

if the avg person is gaining 13lbs from it, how can you say that???...that means some people could be gaining over 100!!

The people consuming the foods and neglecting to exercise are responsible, not the inanimate chemical compounds. Don't blame the spoon for making Oprah fat.

[zengirl]

Don't blame the spoon for making Oprah fat.

Seriously the greatest bumper sticker of all time

[w_a_w]

The people consuming the foods and neglecting to exercise are responsible, not the inanimate chemical compounds. Don't blame the spoon for making Oprah fat.

if on AVERAGE, someone gains 13lbs JUST from eating they way they normally do, yet trans fats have been introduced, what is that telling you??? it's not a very hard equation here :p

[zengirl]

if on AVERAGE, someone gains 13lbs JUST from eating they way they normally do, yet trans fats have been introduced, what is that telling you??? it's not a very hard equation here :p

There's a 5% variation between the transfat and the other... 5% isn't significant

[SemperFly]

if on AVERAGE, someone gains 13lbs JUST from eating they way they normally do, yet trans fats have been introduced, what is that telling you??? it's not a very hard equation here :p

That people need to take responsibility for their weight and eat healthier.

No one has had a double 1/4 pounder shoved down their gullet. People choose to eat that way.

[April40]

In the public square I have the right to free speech and say whatever I please but this is a privately owned forum and thus subject to the rules and regulations of the proprietor. I'll watch my language just as if I were in your home. :)

It's not about a right to free speech. I'm just saying it looks poorly upon the person who throws around the F bomb every other word. They say it is to express themselves better, but how does saying "fucking this" express themselves in a positive, more believable way?

When it comes down to it... if Person A states their side of the story in an well worded/no bad language way, then Person B rebuttals it with a slew of F bombs even though they have a great point... it's still easier to go with Person A because they sound well rounded and educated as compared to Person B. (I'm NOT AT ALL stating that you are that way.)

I'm not your mother so you can tell me to go to fucking hell now. :fly:

[April40]

That people need to take responsibility for their weight and eat healthier.

No one has had a double 1/4 pounder shoved down their gullet. People choose to eat that way.

The quarter pounder is sold to us just like any product. Very rarely does anyone ever research what goes into a product.

We know a lot of things are bad for us that the media sales, and that's our choice to partake in it. It's the stuff like trans-fat that isn't on the warning label. Yes it's on the Nutional Value label... but doesn't say how it is bad for you.

Before this thread I couldn't exactly tell you what trans fat is or what it goes in. I like the fact that it is being taken out of food because quite simply it's not a necessity. Who cares if the gov't decided this, if it's better for my health then so be it.

[SemperFly]

It's not about a right to free speech. I'm just saying it looks poorly upon the person who throws around the F bomb every other word. They say it is to express themselves better, but how does saying "fucking this" express themselves in a positive, more believable way?

When it comes down to it... if Person A states their side of the story in an well worded/no bad language way, then Person B rebuttals it with a slew of F bombs even though they have a great point... it's still easier to go with Person A because they sound well rounded and educated as compared to Person B. (I'm NOT AT ALL stating that you are that way.)

I'm not your mother so you can tell me to go to fucking hell now. :fly:

To me, yes. If someone is dropping f-bombs and not making any sense, that's one thing. If their argument is by itself intelligent and concise yet is sprinkled with colorful language is tells me this person is incredibly passionate in their convictions.

I do understand how most people can see it your way, however. It's probably why I make a terrible debator but a great arguer. When you debate you're presenting arguments in a respectful manner. I just like to fight. :lol:

[w_a_w]

There's a 5% variation between the transfat and the other... 5% isn't significant

it was about 5.5% actually...and you still see nothing wrong with the country being 5.5% fatter on the whole since trans fats were slipped into everything we eat virtually without our knowledge or consent?

[April40]

To me, yes. If someone is dropping f-bombs and not making any sense, that's one thing. If their argument is by itself intelligent and concise yet is sprinkled with colorful language is tells me this person is incredibly passionate in their convictions.

I do understand how most people can see it your way, however. It's probably why I make a terrible debator but a great arguer. When you debate you're presenting arguments in a respectful manner. I just like to fight. :lol:



Ahhh point taken. :heart:

[w_a_w]

That people need to take responsibility for their weight and eat healthier.

No one has had a double 1/4 pounder shoved down their gullet. People choose to eat that way.


again, you cannot eat every meal at home carefully prepared in a dietetic manner...that's obviously absurd...we live in a society on the go and we've been essentially poisoned/fattened largely(lol) without our consent or knowledge so that big business can make an extra buck...it's predatory!

[SemperFly]

The quarter pounder is sold to us just like any product. Very rarely does anyone ever research what goes into a product.

We know a lot of things are bad for us that the media sales, and that's our choice to partake in it. It's the stuff like trans-fat that isn't on the warning label. Yes it's on the Nutional Value label... but doesn't say how it is bad for you.

Before this thread I couldn't exactly tell you what trans fat is or what it goes in. I like the fact that it is being taken out of food because quite simply it's not a necessity. Who cares if the gov't decided this, if it's better for my health then so be it.

I care because giving the government the authority to decide what goes into my body is what leads to things like the War on Drugs or blaming Grand Theft Auto for kids slaying their parents. Sure, require McDonald's to label every ounce of every chemical that goes into their food. Require publishing of this information so people can be better informed. But if I read that and still decide that I'd rather pay 99 cents for a double cheeseburger that's 90% trans fat over a $3.99 all beef cheeseburger from the local place then it's my problem.

[zengirl]

It's not about a right to free speech. I'm just saying it looks poorly upon the person who throws around the F bomb every other word. They say it is to express themselves better, but how does saying "fucking this" express themselves in a positive, more believable way?

When it comes down to it... if Person A states their side of the story in an well worded/no bad language way, then Person B rebuttals it with a slew of F bombs even though they have a great point... it's still easier to go with Person A because they sound well rounded and educated as compared to Person B. (I'm NOT AT ALL stating that you are that way.)

I'm not your mother so you can tell me to go to fucking hell now. :fly:
In language, "fuck" falls into many grammatical categories, making it one of the most versatile words in the English language.

It can be used as a verb, both transitive (John fucked Jane) and intransitive (John and Jane fucked). It can be an active verb (John fucked Jane) or a passive verb (Jane was fucked by John). Or an adverb (Jane is a fucking bastard) and a noun (Jane is a terrific fuck). It can be used as an adjective (Jane is fucking beautiful).

I think the only other word to compare would be shit, but thats another fucking subject all together

[zengirl]

it was about 5.5% actually...and you still see nothing wrong with the country being 5.5% fatter on the whole since trans fats were slipped into everything we eat virtually without our knowledge or consent?

I have no problem with that as my general view on the whole thing is that ANY pre-prepared meal or food item is bad for you and as such should only be consumed in careful moderation.

[SemperFly]

again, you cannot eat every meal at home carefully prepared in a dietetic manner...that's obviously absurd...we live in a society on the go and we've been essentially poisoned/fattened largely(lol) without our consent or knowledge so that big business can make an extra buck...it's predatory!

Yes you certainly can. People choose to live constantly on the go. Dude, you're under no obligation to work for a company that requires you to eat on the go, you're under no obligation to drive that wonderful machine of yours, you're under no obligation to live in a nice house in a nice suburb. You choose those things. Other people choose to eat nothing but organic foods and place their dietary needs on a higher priority than driving a fast car. But it's their choice.

[w_a_w]

I care because giving the government the authority to decide what goes into my body is what leads to things like the War on Drugs or blaming Grand Theft Auto for kids slaying their parents. Sure, require McDonald's to label every ounce of every chemical that goes into their food. Require publishing of this information so people can be better informed. But if I read that and still decide that I'd rather pay 99 cents for a double cheeseburger that's 90% trans fat over a $3.99 all beef cheeseburger from the local place then it's my problem.


it's no different that the govt letting you know that cigs cause cancer...if they have the knowledge it is their duty to inform the public...if trans fat is as bad for you as it seems, it should be plastered all over everything that contains it just like cancer warnings on cigs

[reverendsaintjay]

Yes they can. All tests show that they contribute to the problem in a dietarily significant way. Therefore there is shared accountability.

No, they don't. The test results from all tests provide inconclusive data, barring a consensus in the research community. Some tests show marked increases in test subject weight, some tests show negligible increases and some tests show no increase in obesity(directly attributable to trans fat content) at all.

I went out and grabbed source material to prove my point. Where's yours?

[zengirl]

again, you cannot eat every meal at home carefully prepared in a dietetic manner...that's obviously absurd...we live in a society on the go and we've been essentially poisoned/fattened largely(lol) without our consent or knowledge so that big business can make an extra buck...it's predatory!

I think that your mindset here is absurd! :lol: There is no reason why every meal a person eats cannot be prepared at home. You're confusing convenience with necessity... THATS why people are fat, because they are too lazy to take care of themselves, and yeah, living on the go is lazy if you aren't taking time out to eat right and exercise.

[SemperFly]

it's no different that the govt letting you know that cigs cause cancer...if they have the knowledge it is their duty to inform the public...if trans fat is as bad for you as it seems, it should be plastered all over everything that contains it just like cancer warnings on cigs

Sure, that's fine. Warn everyone. Some regulation of the market is necessary for the protection of the people. But that stops at the point where the government begins making choices for the people. If a guy chooses to be unhealthy, that's his choice.

[w_a_w]

Yes you certainly can. People choose to live constantly on the go. Dude, you're under no obligation to work for a company that requires you to eat on the go, you're under no obligation to drive that wonderful machine of yours, you're under no obligation to live in a nice house in a nice suburb. You choose those things. Other people choose to eat nothing but organic foods and place their dietary needs on a higher priority than driving a fast car. But it's their choice.

eating organic is a VERY time consuming undertaking and EXPENSIVE undertaking...you make it sound like any old person has the time and means to live like that...guess again

[zengirl]

it's no different that the govt letting you know that cigs cause cancer...if they have the knowledge it is their duty to inform the public...if trans fat is as bad for you as it seems, it should be plastered all over everything that contains it just like cancer warnings on cigs

Right, and not banned... right?

[w_a_w]

No, they don't. The test results from all tests provide inconclusive data, barring a consensus in the research community. Some tests show marked increases in test subject weight, some tests show negligible increases and some tests show no increase in obesity(directly attributable to trans fat content) at all.

I went out and grabbed source material to prove my point. Where's yours?

your source material flatly stated a 5.5% increase

[snoogit]

eating organic is a VERY time consuming undertaking and EXPENSIVE undertaking...you make it sound like any old person has the time and means to live like that...guess again

Actually for me its a trip to the garden :p (although I know I wont have this luxury for long, as I will be forced to move into the city soon)

[zengirl]

eating organic is a VERY time consuming undertaking and EXPENSIVE undertaking...you make it sound like any old person has the time and means to live like that...guess again

Um, I see no problem with it... LOL even my animals are on a strictly organic diet

[w_a_w]

I think that your mindset here is absurd! :lol: There is no reason why every meal a person eats cannot be prepared at home. You're confusing convenience with necessity... THATS why people are fat, because they are too lazy to take care of themselves, and yeah, living on the go is lazy if you aren't taking time out to eat right and exercise.

it is not feasible on the schedule I keep to shop, cook, and clean after 3 meals a day nor is it for 99% of the US...do you even live in this country? :fly:

and I'm not fat besides :p

[April40]

Um, I see no problem with it... LOL even my animals are on a strictly organic diet

I remember a picture of you feeding your dog with chopsticks.

[SemperFly]

eating organic is a VERY time consuming undertaking and EXPENSIVE undertaking...you make it sound like any old person has the time and means to live like that...guess again

Not necessarily. Yeah pure organic hippie foods tend to be more expensive but that doesn't mean you can't take ten minutes to make yourself a sandwich with some cold cuts before you leave for work instead of buying fast food.

If you can afford to spend $5 per meal at McDonald's then you can afford to eat healthy foods. People choose to lead busy lives. Yes, people have the time to eat properly. Everyone does. The only people truly unable to eat healthy foods are those in poverty.

[zengirl]

I remember a picture of you feeding your dog with chopsticks.

She was eating tofu

[w_a_w]

Right, and not banned... right?

cigs are enjoyable though...this does nothing for anyone except line the pockets of big business as a cheap, fattening preservative

[April40]

She was eating tofu

Damn it. I thought I had you.

[SemperFly]

it is not feasible on the schedule I keep to shop, cook, and clean after 3 meals a day nor is it for 99% of the US...do you even live in this country? :fly:

and I'm not fat besides :p

The schedule you keep. You keep that schedule because you've decided to live that life. You don't have to work for CNN and sit through hours of traffic. You don't have to drive a $40k sports car (:drool:), you don't have to live in a really nice suburb of Atlanta. You choose to and thus you choose your schedule.

You're not forced into your schedule by anything but your own choices. The same applies for everyone that isn't behind bars or in the military.

[SemperFly]

cigs are enjoyable though...this does nothing for anyone except line the pockets of big business as a cheap, fattening preservative

dude c'mon :lol: mcchicken sandwiches are enjoyable and a lot less deadly than a cigarette

[w_a_w]

Um, I see no problem with it... LOL even my animals are on a strictly organic diet

I don't have the time...if I was at home every hour of the day besides work, maybe...I have an active life, there is no time in the day for me to shop for, cook, and clean after an organic meal or any meal for that matter...it would be even crazier if I had a wife and kids...god knows how the hell the families manage these days

[zengirl]

it is not feasible on the schedule I keep to shop, cook, and clean after 3 meals a day nor is it for 99% of the US...do you even live in this country? :fly:

and I'm not fat besides :p

I'd rather cook than buy preprepared food. I feel it's important to know exactly what is in my food and how it's made. Then again, I'm a girl and my place is in the kitchen. I think the bottom line here is that you just need to find a good woman.

[zengirl]

Damn it. I thought I had you.

lol ;)

My animals eat better than I do.

[w_a_w]

The schedule you keep. You keep that schedule because you've decided to live that life. You don't have to work for CNN and sit through hours of traffic. You don't have to drive a $40k sports car (:drool:), you don't have to live in a really nice suburb of Atlanta. You choose to and thus you choose your schedule.

You're not forced into your schedule by anything but your own choices. The same applies for everyone that isn't behind bars or in the military.

that's the price one pays to get ahead...I would not be happy living in rural GA working as a bagger at a grocery store and few would

[w_a_w]

dude c'mon :lol: mcchicken sandwiches are enjoyable and a lot less deadly than a cigarette

I don't think I've ever eaten a mchicken...chickfila uses peanut oil...I eat there :p

[SemperFly]

that's the price one pays to get ahead...I would not be happy living in rural GA working as a bagger at a grocery store and few would

But it's still your choice. You're not prevented from eating healthy by anything but your own choices.

[SemperFly]

I don't have the time...if I was at home every hour of the day besides work, maybe...I have an active life, there is no time in the day for me to shop for, cook, and clean after an organic meal or any meal for that matter...it would be even crazier if I had a wife and kids...god knows how the hell the families manage these days

You choose to have an active life. You place a higher priority over having fun than eating meals prepared at home and that's perfectly cool. But don't say that you can't because you certainly can. You have the free time, you simply choose to use it living that active life as opposed to preparing organic meals. It's a choice.



Everything begins with choice.


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[zengirl]

I don't think I've ever eaten a mchicken...chickfila uses peanut oil...I eat there :p

You also have to take into consideration the sodium content in many convenience foods.

[w_a_w]

But it's still your choice. You're not prevented from eating healthy by anything but your own choices.

it's partially desire but time is certainly a factor...shopping, cooking and cleaning is a lot to do to make meals for 1 person

[zengirl]

it's partially desire but time is certainly a factor...shopping, cooking and cleaning is a lot to do to make meals for 1 person

And a lot of people think that exercise takes too much time as well, they're too busy for it... that doesn't make it less important to good health.

[w_a_w]

anywho, trans fats are bad and there is no reason for them to be present in foods served at restaurants let alone in abundance

[SemperFly]

it's partially desire but time is certainly a factor...shopping, cooking and cleaning is a lot to do to make meals for 1 person

lol c'mon

I've spent enough time living by myself to know that's not true. An hour on the weekend to shop for a week's worth of food. Ten or fifteen minutes of preparation for breakfast plus another ten to make a decent sandwich for work. An hour to cook, eat and clean after work.

It's all desire. It's all choice.

[Sarcasmo]

No, they don't. The test results from all tests provide inconclusive data, barring a consensus in the research community. Some tests show marked increases in test subject weight, some tests show negligible increases and some tests show no increase in obesity(directly attributable to trans fat content) at all.

I went out and grabbed source material to prove my point. Where's yours?

Why don't you split some hairs, fgt? By "all" I clearly meant "some".

[w_a_w]

lol c'mon

I've spent enough time living by myself to know that's not true. An hour on the weekend to shop for a week's worth of food. Ten or fifteen minutes of preparation for breakfast plus another ten to make a decent sandwich for work. An hour to cook, eat and clean after work.

It's all desire. It's all choice.

due to various social obligations I am generally home after work 1 day a week...that's tuesday...the rest of the week it's sometime between 10-12pm usually...if I were to do nothing else with myself, sure, I could eat healthier but I have shit to do!

you go sit on your ass at home, I'm busy :fly:

[zengirl]

lol c'mon

I've spent enough time living by myself to know that's not true. An hour on the weekend to shop for a week's worth of food. Ten or fifteen minutes of preparation for breakfast plus another ten to make a decent sandwich for work. An hour to cook, eat and clean after work.

It's all desire. It's all choice.

It's a matter of someone wanting safer choices for the simple fact they don't have the time to do the research or make informed choices on their own.

[SemperFly]

due to various social obligations I am generally home after work 1 day a week...that's tuesday...the rest of the week it's sometime between 10-12pm usually...if I were to do nothing else with myself, sure, I could eat healthier but I have shit to do!

you go sit on your ass at home, I'm busy :fly:

Social obligations are still choices. Unless you're about to tell me that every day but Tuesday you feed the poor and build homes for veterans then you're still giving leisure time a higher priority over healthy eating. Again, it's choice.

I could eat healthier but I have shit to do!

And I'd bet a month's salary (of mine which would be like three and a half hours of yours :fly:) that not a single one of those things is absolutely necessary for you to continue living. Choices.

[w_a_w]

anywho, trans fats are bad and there is no reason for them to be present in foods served at restaurants let alone in abundance

qft!

[JPatrick]

qft!



you cant "qft" yourself, you dink!

[zengirl]

qft!

Same can be said for cigarettes, bacon, hash browns or anything deep fried or fatty.

[w_a_w]

you cant "qft" yourself, you dink!

sure I can! knyte does it all the time :fly:

[w_a_w]

Same can be said for cigarettes, bacon, hash browns or anything deep fried or fatty.

trans fat is not a food source in and of itself nor does anyone derive pleasure from it like cigs or alcohol

[zengirl]

trans fat is not a food source in and of itself nor does anyone derive pleasure from it like cigs or alcohol

says you!!!

You aren't a food addict

[fly]

How in the fuck did this thing get 10 pages?

[SemperFly]

trans fat is not a food source in and of itself nor does anyone derive pleasure from it like cigs or alcohol

That's not true. I derive pleasure from knowing that a mcchicken sandwich or a double cheeseburger only cost a buck due to all those trans fats. You cannot make it about what's pleasurable and what's not because then you open the door to have others decide on your forms of enjoyment.

[w_a_w]

That's not true. I derive pleasure from knowing that a mcchicken sandwich or a double cheeseburger only cost a buck due to all those trans fats. You cannot make it about what's pleasurable and what's not because then you open the door to have others decide on your forms of enjoyment.

trans fats are NOT a food source...they are an unnecessary ingredient and you know it :p

and deriving pleasure from being cheap is a whole other can of worms :p

[snoogit]

I didnt know this shit had a website:

http://www.bantransfats.com/

[zengirl]

trans fats are NOT a food source...they are an unnecessary ingredient and you know it :p

and deriving pleasure from being cheap is a whole other can of worms :p

Says the man bitching that organic food is too costly

[w_a_w]

Says the man bitching that organic food is too costly

it is fairly costly...and I don't eat every meal at mcdonalds...maybe once a week, tops, will I eat there

[eileenbunny]

trans fat is not a food source in and of itself nor does anyone derive pleasure from it like cigs or alcohol

Hey man, I need trans fats. If not for them you wouldn't be able to see me from the side. Sure, let people know they are bad for them, but banning them sounds like a terrible idea for the economy and a waste of government time all around.

Also, you really do need a woman to take care of you.

[zengirl]

it is fairly costly...and I don't eat every meal at mcdonalds...maybe once a week, tops, will I eat there

Well part of the thing that makes those foods so cheap is the trans fats... upgrading to a healthier fat source increases the cost of this convenience food and you know who will pay for that? You will when the prices increase to reflect this improved fat source. Bottom line here is that no matter what happens the consumers ultimately pay for it.

[SemperFly]

trans fats are NOT a food source...they are an unnecessary ingredient and you know it :p

and deriving pleasure from being cheap is a whole other can of worms :p

Neither is alcohol. Doesn't matter if it's necessary. Chocolate is not a necessary food source. Yes, I derive pleasure from the taste of a cheap mcchicken sandwich. It doesn't matter why I derive pleasure from it if you're going to justify cigarettes because you derive pleasure from smoking.

THe bottom line is that you have no authority to decide what is worth pleasure and what isn't. No one does. Putting that kind of decision making into the hands of the government is a very bad idea.

[zengirl]

Hey man, I need trans fats. If not for them you wouldn't be able to see me from the side. Sure, let people know they are bad for them, but banning them sounds like a terrible idea for the economy and a waste of government time all around.

Also, you really do need a woman to take care of you.

qfgdmft

[FlamingGlory]

I didnt bother to read the whole thread but NYC already got a state wide smoking ban passed. YOU CANT SMOKE IN BARS IN NY.

FUCK NYC

Chicago is trying to fois gras pate btw.

[April40]

I didnt bother to read the whole thread but NYC already got a state wide smoking ban passed. YOU CANT SMOKE IN BARS IN NY.

FUCK NYC

Chicago is trying to fois gras pate btw.

Ya... you're behind.

[snoogit]

Chicago is trying to fois gras pate btw.

Is that even any good? it looks like shit from a can to me.

[eileenbunny]

I didnt bother to read the whole thread but NYC already got a state wide smoking ban passed. YOU CANT SMOKE IN BARS IN NY.

FUCK NYC

Chicago is trying to fois gras pate btw.

A lot of places have the smoking bans. I don't see it as a huge deal. I smoke, but I also realize that my smoking can effect others. Eating a Happy Meal doesn't hurt or have the potential of hurting anyone but me.

[FlamingGlory]

A lot of places have the smoking bans. I don't see it as a huge deal. I smoke, but I also realize that my smoking can effect others. Eating a Happy Meal doesn't hurt or have the potential of hurting anyone but me.

I didnt realize that many bars served happy meals.

[snoogit]

A lot of places have the smoking bans. I don't see it as a huge deal. I smoke, but I also realize that my smoking can effect others. Eating a Happy Meal doesn't hurt or have the potential of hurting anyone but me.

Aside from all the methane gas production that comes from eating said happy meal.

[April40]

A lot of places have the smoking bans. I don't see it as a huge deal. I smoke, but I also realize that my smoking can effect others. Eating a Happy Meal doesn't hurt or have the potential of hurting anyone but me.

Florida has it too... no smoking indoors in public pretty much... I like it.

[FlamingGlory]

Is that even any good? it looks like shit from a can to me.

I dont particularly care. Entrails arent my favourite food group. I'll be damned if they tell me I cant eat it though.

[eileenbunny]

Aside from all the methane gas production that comes from eating said happy meal.

So now we all have to stop farting too? Drool is gonna be pissed. Perhaps we should just ban people and that would take care of all the problems we are facing.

[FlamingGlory]

So now we all have to stop farting too? Drool is gonna be pissed. Perhaps we should just ban people and that would take care of all the problems we are facing.

I propose banning children, for the children.

[April40]

I propose banning children, for the children.

I approve this message.

[zengirl]

I didnt bother to read the whole thread but NYC already got a state wide smoking ban passed. YOU CANT SMOKE IN BARS IN NY.

FUCK NYC

Chicago is trying to fois gras pate btw.

Chicago banned foie gras awhile ago and due to the bad press the Mayor, along with many counselmen, is trying to have the ban repealed

[zengirl]

I dont particularly care. Entrails arent my favourite food group. I'll be damned if they tell me I cant eat it though.

foie gras is goose liver

[snoogit]

Perhaps we should just ban people and that would take care of all the problems we are facing.


Smells like a winner to me.