myspace + stupid laws =

[SemperFly]

http://cbs4denver.com/crime/local_story_095181805.html


Teen Convicted Of Gun Possession In Online Photos

(AP) GOLDEN, Colo. A teenager who posted Internet photos of himself posing with guns, including one photo captioned "Angel o' death on wings o' lead," has been convicted of possession of a handgun by a juvenile.

Defense attorney Barrett Weisz said he would appeal.

The Evergreen High School student was acquitted on two other charges of handgun possession Tuesday.

The 16-year-old boy's photos were posted on the popular social networking site MySpace.com. He posed with a number of rifles and a .45-caliber pistol, a .22-caliber revolver and a .357-caliber revolver.

Juveniles in Colorado are not allowed to possess handguns, but the law allows parents to give their children permission to possess guns in their homes.

The boy's parents testified that their son had permission to handle the weapons.

The father, a gun collector who is an airline pilot and retired Air Force pilot, said he gave the boy and his brother extensive training in the safe handling of weapons.

"That doesn't mean juveniles could run around the house and do whatever he wanted with the gun," Jefferson County District Judge Brian Boatright said, noting that the father testified that his sons were not allowed to load or fire the weapons unless he was present.

The teen, who has been held in detention since his arrest in February, was to be sentenced June 1. Boatright set bond at $5,000 and ordered that the boy be evaluated and that a safety plan drawn up before he could be freed.

Evergreen High School is in the same district as Columbine High School, where two teenage gunmen killed 12 students and a teacher before killing themselves in 1999.

(© 2006 The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.)

:tard:

[Valve1080i]

The appeals process will be interesting to watch.

[Arátoeldar]

Stupid Nanny State. :rolleyes: :mad: :(

The only ones who should have punished the kid are the parents.

[SemperFly]

Stupid Nanny State. :rolleyes: :mad: :(

The only ones who should have punished the kid are the parents.
there's no reason for him to be punished in the first place; his dad gave him permission


the funny thing is at the same time the brits are saying "it's ok to commit assualt, we'll just give you a warning"

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/04/03/ucaution.xml&sSheet=/portal/2006/04/03/ixportaltop.html

You could be jumped by guys that have just never been caught, get the crap beaten out of you, ribs broken and bruises everywhere...the guy get a warning and heads off to the pub to enjoy a beer after all his physicial exertion while you go to the hospital. Brilliant!

[inline4]

don't like it, don't live there.

other then that i dont give a shit..

:D Hi everyone :heart:

[Arátoeldar]

there's no reason for him to be punished in the first place; his dad gave him permission


the funny thing is at the same time the brits are saying "it's ok to commit assualt, we'll just give you a warning"

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/04/03/ucaution.xml&sSheet=/portal/2006/04/03/ixportaltop.html

You could be jumped by guys that have just never been caught, get the crap beaten out of you, ribs broken and bruises everywhere...the guy get a warning and heads off to the pub to enjoy a beer after all his physicial exertion while you go to the hospital. Brilliant!

For me it would all depend on how he was holding the weapons. If he was holding them in a safe way then no problem. If he was trying to look like some gangster then he and I would have problems.

[inline4]

For me it would all depend on how he was holding the weapons. If he was holding them in a safe way then no problem. If he was trying to look like some gangster then he and I would have problems.
do you seriously have to ask this question??

Lets think about it a 16 year old kid taking pictures of himself to post on MYSPACE

yeah.. he wans't acting gangsta..

no no.. not at all...

[ChikkenNoodul]

do you seriously have to ask this question??

Lets think about it a 16 year old kid taking pictures of himself to post on MYSPACE

yeah.. he wans't acting gangsta..

no no.. not at all...
Heck, there's lame 'joke' pictures of me in my 20's holding guns like an urban delinquent

BUT

I'm still handling them safely, i.e. no finger on the trigger, muzzle pointed in a safe direction, etc.

Since I was almost shot once, I'm a safety nazi with them things :fly:

[inline4]

Heck, there's lame 'joke' pictures of me in my 20's holding guns like an urban delinquent

BUT

I'm still handling them safely, i.e. no finger on the trigger, muzzle pointed in a safe direction, etc.

Since I was almost shot once, I'm a safety nazi with them things :fly:
HAHAHAHA

why can i imagine you at 20 surrounded by 30 empty Busch cans and a few shotguns at your feet..

LMFAO

[b_sinning]

That's bull. You photoshop anything now days. He could just say that the photo was manipulated and how are they going to prove it wasn't. Contrary to CSI and LAw & Order most cities don't have an image specialist on the payroll and don't have the cash to hire one for crap like this.

[SemperFly]

For me it would all depend on how he was holding the weapons. If he was holding them in a safe way then no problem. If he was trying to look like some gangster then he and I would have problems.

do you seriously have to ask this question??

Lets think about it a 16 year old kid taking pictures of himself to post on MYSPACE

yeah.. he wans't acting gangsta..

no no.. not at all...


http://img.viacomlocalnetworks.com/images_sizedimage_052233908/lg

[itburnswhenipee]

I had my doubts, but after seeing that picture I can say, with certainty, that this kid is guilty of thoughtcrime.

[b_sinning]

There is a gas station not to far from my office that is located in a bad ghetto neighborhood. It doesn't have any safety gas or anything else to prevent robbery. Except for pictures all over the counter and the walls behind the registers of the indians that run the place shooting machine guns, shot guns, flame thrower, hand guns etc. Tons of them. When you walk up to the counter they keep one hand under the counter on their side at all times. They haven't been robbed in a long time.

[Pandora]

I had my doubts, but after seeing that picture I can say, with certainty, that this kid is guilty of thoughtcrime.

Well he's certainly guilty of being a dumbass losar. :tard:

[w_a_w]

There is a gas station not to far from my office that is located in a bad ghetto neighborhood. It doesn't have any safety gas or anything else to prevent robbery. Except for pictures all over the counter and the walls behind the registers of the indians that run the place shooting machine guns, shot guns, flame thrower, hand guns etc. Tons of them. When you walk up to the counter they keep one hand under the counter on their side at all times. They haven't been robbed in a long time.

thank you for shopping at jihad-mart. please come again!

[Sarcasmo]

(© 2006 The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.)


I'm going to forward this thread to the authorities.

[reverendsaintjay]

I'm ok with the laws (to an extent), what I'm not ok with comes in two forms. First, spotty enforcement of laws as pertaining to myspace. Some kid poses with guns = BADBADBAD. Some HS Sophmore posts 45 seconds of her webcam striptease = MOREMOREMORE.

Second, I have huuuuge problems with these kids getting expelled from school over online antics. That crap didn't happen on school grounds, it didn't impact the school in any way, how can they justify ruining that child's entire social structure and educational opportunities (at least until they get to a new school).

Bah, I'm also one of those bastards that doesn't believe in jail time for minor drug offenses, so consider my viewpoint a bit skewed on this one.

[ChikkenNoodul]

Bah, I'm also one of those bastards that doesn't believe in jail time for minor drug offenses, so consider my viewpoint a bit skewed on this one.
You haven't been here long have you? :D

That's a fairly benign viewpoint :fly:

[JPatrick]

whatta crock o shit.

[inline4]

whatta crock o shit.
send them poo

[fly]

There should be common sense laws that only politicians can be found guilty of.

[inline4]

There should be common sense laws that only politicians can be found guilty of.
and lawyers

and women..

[SemperFly]

Well he's certainly guilty of being a dumbass losar. :tard:
Indeed.

http://cbs4denver.com/crime/local_story_052233753.html

The article from when he was arrested. Yes, this kid is certainly a concern and should now go into therapy; those kinds of comments should definately set off alarm bells but that doesn't mean a fracking crime was commited. What I find even more disturbing is the idiotic responses by the other students.

"When you see pictures of real guns, it leaves doubt in your mind as to how safe you are everyday," said another student at Evergreen.

:rolleyes: oooooh, a picture of a real gun. how scary :omy:

[ChikkenNoodul]

There should be common sense laws that only politicians can be found guilty of.
I think there should be weekly challenges of mettle for all politicians, like swimming a mile in the ocean off South Africa with steaks tied to them

[ChikkenNoodul]

:rolleyes: oooooh, a picture of a real gun. how scary :omy:
OMG I THINK I SAW IT MOVE! :egads:

[b_sinning]

thank you for shopping at jihad-mart. please come again!


They are twitchy. You don't make any sudden moves when getting out money. I think I saw one picof them using a rocket launcher.

[SemperFly]

They are twitchy. You don't make any sudden moves when getting out money. I think I saw one picof them using a rocket launcher.
yeah, I know the guys at the kwik-e-mart near our place kaap at least one handgun under the counter and a shotgun with whoever's in the back. we don't live in a dangerous area but these folks are from pakistan; plus the wife often watches the store all day and she seems real adept at tracking shifty lookin' folk walking through her store.

[ChikkenNoodul]

I want a former convenience store owner for president, them cats know you gots to protect yo' shit

[zengirl]

yeah, I know the guys at the kwik-e-mart near our place kaap at least one handgun under the counter and a shotgun with whoever's in the back. we don't live in a dangerous area but these folks are from pakistan; plus the wife often watches the store all day and she seems real adept at tracking shifty lookin' folk walking through her store.
We live within walking distance of the ghetto, I wouldn't hang around by myself without a weapon either.

[KNYTE]

I will respond to this thread about gun pictures being offensive by posting pictures of guns, and things relating to guns.

http://uselessforums.com/files/120505/45.jpg
http://uselessforums.com/files/120505/M4Accessoriescopy.jpg
http://uselessforums.com/files/120505/m4postercopy.jpg
http://uselessforums.com/files/120505/P1020401.jpg
http://uselessforums.com/files/120505/second.jpg
http://uselessforums.com/files/120505/ssniper9ij.jpg
http://uselessforums.com/files/120505/camo.jpg

and for all you Airsoft peoplez...

http://uselessforums.com/files/120505/14726-wrong.jpg

[b_sinning]

I want a former convenience store owner for president, them cats know you gots to protect yo' shit


I want K Fed for Head Foreign Ambassador. That man can obviously talk some serious shit. He can get caught on film with other women and his girls still take him back and keep giving him cash. I think he knows Jedi Mind tricks.


"We are going to nuke you for invading our country to steal oil!" - Arab

"We didn't invade your country. Wes been break dancing with our homies and smokin fat blunts!" - K. fed

"Can I get a hit off one of those Yo?!" -Arab

[SemperFly]

I will respond to this thread about gun pictures being offensive by posting pictures of guns, and things relating to guns.

and for all you Airsoft peoplez...

http://uselessforums.com/files/120505/14726-wrong.jpg
LOL

and Oleg's pictures are the best!


also: http://thoseshirts.com/diversitybk.html I want :lol:

[CletusJones]

Stupid Nanny State. :rolleyes: :mad: :(
They have actually "legalized" posession of 1oz of marijuana in Denver, so it's not the whole state.

[SemperFly]

They have actually "legalized" posession of 1oz of marijuana in Denver, so it's not the whole state.
:lol: goddamn liberals...drugs for everyone, but guns are evil

edit: don't worry, I hate conservatives too...guns and god for everyone but drugs and science are evil!

[CletusJones]

:lol: goddamn liberals...drugs for everyone, but guns are evil

edit: don't worry, I hate conservatives too...guns and god for everyone but drugs and science are evil!
:lol: it's wild isn't it?

We should start our own political party.

[JPatrick]

I didnt know they made BDUs that big.

[FlamingGlory]

Isnt it great when the government makes everyone safe!

[BeerAd]

Kick ass

[itburnswhenipee]

I bet that guy in the background is happy he doesn't have to sling Private Ol' Country Buffet over his shoulder.

[SemperFly]

:lol: it's wild isn't it?

We should start our own political party.
Libertarian's would be great if not for their inability to do anything at all.

I didnt know they made BDUs that big.
they don't, I'm guessing he altered a tent

[CletusJones]

Libertarian's would be great if not for their inability to do anything at all.
The apostrophe signifies posession, not pluralization. I also agree, they're practically worthless in terms of accomplishing anything. Nobody takes them seriously.

[SemperFly]

THANKS GRAMMAR NAZI

http://img130.exs.cx/img130/2571/grammarnazi9bx.jpg

:p t'was und tyop

[CletusJones]

YOUR WELCOME

:lol: your
get it? get it?

[CletusJones]

i bet you didn't get it.

[CletusJones]

:(

[b_sinning]

FlyNavy you got schooled on grammar from someone named Cletus. Ouch.

[SemperFly]

some folk'll never eat a skunk
and then again some folk'll
like cletus the slack jawed yokel :cool:

[KNYTE]

some folk'll never eat a skunk
and then again some folk'll
like cletus the slack jawed yokel :cool:

Thur are some folk'll who'll never eat a toe
and then thur are some folk'll
like cletus the slack jawed yokel

[SemperFly]

post more oleg pics :cool:

[Arátoeldar]

http://img.viacomlocalnetworks.com/images_sizedimage_052233908/lg

I see nothing wrong with this picture

http://uselessforums.com/files/120505/14726-wrong.jpg

:lol::lol::lol:

[FlamingGlory]

post more oleg pics :cool:
A pic, vaugely related, not oleg though.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v394/xdoctor/glockv1911.jpg

[w_a_w]

Thur are some folk'll who'll never eat a toe
and then thur are some folk'll
like cletus the slack jawed yokel

that's lose a toe, not eat one :lol:

[SemperFly]

A pic, vaugely related, not oleg though.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v394/xdoctor/glockv1911.jpg
lol :P

[KNYTE]

http://www.praxagora.com/lunde/firearms.html <- Gun wallpapers

[Arátoeldar]

[url]http://www.praxagora.com/lunde/firearms.html[/url <- Gun wallpapers

Don't you mean Gun wallpapers (http://www.praxagora.com/lunde/firearms.html):P :fly:

[SemperFly]

http://www.praxagora.com/lunde/firearms.html <- Gun wallpapers



http://www.praxagora.com/lunde/photos/lesbaer-trs-left-full.jpg

damn that's a fine looking piece of engineering



http://www.praxagora.com/lunde/photos/g19od-right-full.jpg

[FlamingGlory]

Combat tupperware!


These pics are by a photographically inclined cop in WA.

http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/505/img1558stick7fy.jpg

http://img420.imageshack.us/img420/3761/p1010021900stick8vo.jpg

[wr3kt]

If he was in his own home...how can they even attempt to touch this case?
That judge is going to have his shit overturned by an appellate judge.

[w_a_w]

If he was in his own home...how can they even attempt to touch this case?
That judge is going to have his shit overturned by an appellate judge.


amen, hopefully that's the way this goes down...it's a freaking pic in his own home that does not demonstrate intent...it only shows he's a moron at best

[Galen]

Those "liberals". What won't they do next?

[SemperFly]

Those "liberals". What won't they do next?
I know you're probably being sarcastic, but you're right. For the record I don't use the word "liberal" as an insult any more than the word "conservative". They're all anti-liberty selfish nihilist porcupines.

[Galen]

I know you're probably being sarcastic, but you're right. For the record I don't use the word "liberal" as an insult any more than the word "conservative". They're all anti-liberty selfish nihilist porcupines.
You seem to have a bit of sense, it's the "liberal" witchhunters that don't. Unfortunately there's quite a few on these boards who seem to have been educated by Hannity & Colmes.

[SemperFly]

You seem to have a bit of sense, it's the "liberal" witchhunters that don't. Unfortunately there's quite a few on these boards who seem to have been educated by Hannity & Colmes.
Yea but don't forget that the conservative witch hunters are equally as bad. I don't know how it is in your country but over here both sides are pissing on our rights. I'm either putting up with gun grabbing, socialist, bleeding hearts that want me to pay for every lazy ass with seven kids that refuses to get a job or with religious zealots that have the gall to tell people who they can and can't marry and try to take the science out of science class.

Bible thumpers and socialists, they can all kiss my ass. :rolleyes:

[Pandora]

You seem to have a bit of sense, it's the "liberal" witchhunters that don't. Unfortunately there's quite a few on these boards who seem to have been educated by Hannity & Colmes.

Man you really are a bitter guy aren't you. If there are any witchhunters on this board it's you Mr. Negative. "liberal" and "conservative" are nothing more than labels to describe an ideology. And by making the comment above you only show that you are no different/better than the people you are trying to criticize.

[Pandora]

Yea but don't forget that the conservative witch hunters are equally as bad. I don't know how it is in your country but over here both sides are pissing on our rights. I'm either putting up with gun grabbing, socialist, bleeding hearts that want me to pay for every lazy ass with seven kids that refuses to get a job or with religious zealots that have the gall to tell people who they can and can't marry and try to take the science out of science class.

Bible thumpers and socialists, they can all kiss my ass. :rolleyes:

It seems there are so many of us that share this view. But the two major parties just continue alienating this middle of the road type crowd.

[SemperFly]

It seems there are so many of us that share this view. But the two major parties just continue alienating this middle of the road type crowd.
www.lp.org

It seems a lot of people would agree with the Libertarians if they had any chance of success. I tend to agree with the majority of their stances - save for a couple on the economy and the military - but there are some issues that simply won't jive with most people. The right wingers won't support the Libertarians because of abortion and gay marriage, the left wingers won't support the Libertarians because of gun rights and laissez-faire economics.

edit: and both sides tend to be scared shitless of drugs and freedom of speech :tard: fuck the FCC and DEA

[Pandora]

www.lp.org

It seems a lot of people would agree with the Libertarians if they had any chance of success. I tend to agree with the majority of their stances - save for a couple on the economy and the military - but there are some issues that simply won't jive with most people. The right wingers won't support the Libertarians because of abortion and gay marriage, the left wingers won't support the Libertarians because of gun rights and laissez-faire economics.

edit: and both sides tend to be scared shitless of drugs and freedom of speech :tard: fuck the FCC and DEA

Oh I'm well aware of the Libbys. I consider myself to be one. ;) However I don't think they'll ever get very far because of the reason you've also listed above.

[SemperFly]

Well their biggest problem is priorities. They spend retarded amounts of money trying to get into the White House when they'd have an easier time and do far more good getting seats in Congress. If just a tenth of the Senators and a quarter of the Representatives were Libertarian our nation would be significantly different.

30 fracking years and they best they can do is a few gubernatorial and state-side legislative seats plus Ron Paul who had to run as a Republican to get elected.

goddamnit Americans are fucking idiots sometimes

[elpmis]

"Angel O' Death" :lol:

that kid is retarded

[FlamingGlory]

Well their biggest problem is priorities. They spend retarded amounts of money trying to get into the White House when they'd have an easier time and do far more good getting seats in Congress. If just a tenth of the Senators and a quarter of the Representatives were Libertarian our nation would be significantly different.

30 fracking years and they best they can do is a few gubernatorial and state-side legislative seats plus Ron Paul who had to run as a Republican to get elected.

goddamnit Americans are fucking idiots sometimes
Well except their stance on immigration. Anyway don't you know? You're a freak extremist unless you vote Democrat and you are rich if you vote republican. :rolleyes:

[elpmis]

Well except their stance on immigration. Anyway don't you know? You're black, a hippy, an athiest or all of the above if you vote Democrat and you're rich, a redneck, or a religious freak if you vote republican. :rolleyes:
fixt for exactness

[FlamingGlory]

fixt for exactness
Goddamn hippies. I'll kill 'em.

*spits chew*

[SemperFly]

Actually I don't mind their immigration ideas. It seems the biggest problem with the immigration issue is the burden on the taxpayers. Well if the welfare system was utterly eliminated as it should be then there would be less of a taxpayer burden. I don't believe a natural born citizen has any more right to my money than an illegal alien. I simply have no problem with anyone coming here and working for a living.

Of course there's the problem of national security...which is funny considering none of the 9/11 hijackers entered through Mexico in the first place. But since it's still a possibility that a Jihad Joe will try to do so I see no problem in using force to defend our borders from direct threats to our security. The problem is the number of people that come here illegally makes it difficult to find those that are genuine threats. We those people able to work here legally in the first place then the only people crossing illegally would be the criminals and terrorists that wouldn't make it through the checkpoints.

I'm sure it's more complex than that but I think their basic ideology is that this country is what it is because of immigration and the concepts of personal liberty and free market capitalism.

[SemperFly]

Goddamn hippies. I'll kill 'em.

*spits chew*
they wanna save the world but all they do is smoke pot and smell bad :mad:

goddamn hippies

[ChikkenNoodul]

they wanna save the world but all they do is smoke pot and smell bad :mad:

goddamn hippies
The hippie guys just do it to get the hippie chicks

[SemperFly]

The hippie guys just do it to get the hippie chicks
http://images.southparkstudios.com/media/images/902/9022_hippie_drill.jpg

[ChikkenNoodul]

I liked the recent episode where Cartman went hard-hat diving through San Fran :lol:

That's just like what I'd have to do

[KNYTE]

Stolen from someplace else...

http://uselessforums.com/files/120505/myspace8tw.jpg

[SemperFly]

:lol: :lol: :lol: the truth behind some of those is astounding

[Pandora]

Stolen from someplace else...

[IMG]http://uselessforums.com/files/120505/myspace8tw.jpg[IMG]

:lol: That's awesome.

[elpmis]

http://uselessforums.com/files/120505/wtfwtf.JPG

[FlamingGlory]

http://uselessforums.com/files/120505/wtfwtf.JPG
OMG :-O

http://uselessforums.com/files/120505/peta.jpg

[elpmis]

jesus

[SemperFly]

jesus
http://www.elbutaquito.com/wp-content/jesus_shaves.gif

[Galen]

Man you really are a bitter guy aren't you. If there are any witchhunters on this board it's you Mr. Negative. "liberal" and "conservative" are nothing more than labels to describe an ideology. And by making the comment above you only show that you are no different/better than the people you are trying to criticize.
There is alot of American people who do not understand the meaning of the word "Liberal" or "Conservative", for a start, Conservatism is not an ideology, most certainly not modern day "New Right" conservatism. I have spoken to supposedly smart Americans who would tar me as "Conservative" or "Liberal" at the drop of a hat. This is incorrect.

I don't think of myself as either, but using the terms to describe someones partisan alignment just by, god forbid, their views on abortion is fantastical. In the words of Sean Hannity (not a great example, but the first I can remember of its misuse off the top of my head) to someone who supported eminent domain, "You're 'pure partisan' [whatever the christ that means]. You've shown yourself to be a liberal!"

If I'm a witchhunter, then so be it. It's for the greater good of understanding and not confusing terminology.

[Galen]

OMG :-O

http://uselessforums.com/files/120505/peta.jpg
These your law school buds?

[SemperFly]

There is alot of American people who do not understand the meaning of the word "Liberal" or "Conservative", for a start, Conservatism is not an ideology, most certainly not modern day "New Right" conservatism. I have spoken to supposedly smart Americans who would tar me as "Conservative" or "Liberal" at the drop of a hat. This is incorrect.

I don't think of myself as either, but using the terms to describe someones partisan alignment just by, god forbid, their views on abortion is fantastical. In the words of Sean Hannity (not a great example, but the first I can remember of its misuse off the top of my head) to someone who supported eminent domain, "You're 'pure partisan' [whatever the christ that means]. You've shown yourself to be a liberal!"

If I'm a witchhunter, then so be it. It's for the greater good of understanding and not confusing terminology.
we should have an abortion debate on this forum :D

[FlamingGlory]

These your law school buds?
Aye

[FlamingGlory]

There is alot of American people who do not understand the meaning of the word "Liberal" or "Conservative", for a start, Conservatism is not an ideology, most certainly not modern day "New Right" conservatism. I have spoken to supposedly smart Americans who would tar me as "Conservative" or "Liberal" at the drop of a hat. This is incorrect.

I don't think of myself as either, but using the terms to describe someones partisan alignment just by, god forbid, their views on abortion is fantastical. In the words of Sean Hannity (not a great example, but the first I can remember of its misuse off the top of my head) to someone who supported eminent domain, "You're 'pure partisan' [whatever the christ that means]. You've shown yourself to be a liberal!"

If I'm a witchhunter, then so be it. It's for the greater good of understanding and not confusing terminology.
'Liberal' with a capital L means something completely different in the US than it does in the dictionary. There is no sane logic behind it, it just works that way. In general it's a term for socialism-lite. More and more groups that arent 'Conservative' kept falling under the label until it has nothing to do with liberty anymore. Black Power = Liberal, La Raza = Liberal, Welfare = Liberal, Gun Prohibition = Liberal, Universal Healthcare = Liberal, Federal Government = Liberal. They happen to have exactly ONE right they campaign for which is abortion, althugh it's not technically a right... But anyway that's why pro-choice = Liberal.

Conservatism had the same thing happen to it. Anything that isnt Liberal is Conservative but not always. The only real difference between the parties is that /sometimes/ conservatives vote their conscience, or for the people they represent. Usually the ones from a few select states that do not have a large amount of lobbying.

There is no confusing terminology here for anyone except you. We all understand exactly what it is we're talking about, if you took a moment to try and understand it instead of jumping in and telling us how we should do things. No one would mind explaining it, but I'm pretty sure none of us would be like to told how to do it.

[ChikkenNoodul]

Yeah, you UK folks don't quite understand how 'liberal' and 'conservative' are used in the US these days. Completely disregard the classical definitions, because they do not apply :lol:

[Galen]

'Liberal' with a capital L means something completely different in the US than it does in the dictionary. There is no sane logic behind it, it just works that way. In general it's a term for socialism-lite. More and more groups that arent 'Conservative' kept falling under the label until it has nothing to do with liberty anymore. Black Power = Liberal, La Raza = Liberal, Welfare = Liberal, Gun Prohibition = Liberal, Universal Healthcare = Liberal, Federal Government = Liberal. They happen to have exactly ONE right they campaign for which is abortion, althugh it's not technically a right... But anyway that's why pro-choice = Liberal.

Conservatism had the same thing happen to it. Anything that isnt Liberal is Conservative but not always. The only real difference between the parties is that /sometimes/ conservatives vote their conscience, or for the people they represent. Usually the ones from a few select states that do not have a large amount of lobbying.

There is no confusing terminology here for anyone except you. We all understand exactly what it is we're talking about, if you took a moment to try and understand it instead of jumping in and telling us how we should do things. No one would mind explaining it, but I'm pretty sure none of us would be like to told how to do it.
I don't think you can relate the word Liberal to coming from the word Liberty.
Until you realize this and it's different forms thereof, please don't run off with confusing, incorrect American interpretation.

Just because everyone else is doing it doesn't mean it's right.

[Galen]

Yeah, you UK folks don't quite understand how 'liberal' and 'conservative' are used in the US these days. Completely disregard the classical definitions, because they do not apply :lol:
Isn't that what I was saying? :P

[FlamingGlory]

I don't think you can relate the word Liberal to coming from the word Liberty.
Until you realize this and it's different forms thereof, please don't run off with confusing, incorrect American interpretation.

Just because everyone else is doing it doesn't mean it's right.
Liberalism is the political tradition that holds (?) Liberty as its primary value [from Britannica]. The classical definition zomg! Which I already contrasted to the modern American usage. Honestly I have no idea what you are trying to argue.