I can't believe someone finally did it right

[theacoustician]

www.emusic.com

-No client needed for downloads
-All files are DRM free MP3's
-All rips are done with LAME 3.92 set at --alt preset standard (192kbps VBR)
-Unlike allofmp3.com, they actually have the right to distribute and actually pay the artists

Holy. Shit.

Mostly indie stuff, but that shit is red hot. If this is old, why the hell didn't one of you hobos tell me earlier?

[bast_imret]

slick!

[elpmis]

I still buy CDs, I'm such a loser

[itburnswhenipee]

Wow... I guess I'm a criminal bastard since I don't pay for music if I can help it.

[elpmis]

theac, have you heard the new strokes album yet?

I've been lovin' it for a couple weeks or so now

[theacoustician]

I still buy CDs, I'm such a loser
I usually do too, but this now gives me some options when I'm not interested in the whole album.

[Fat Burger]

I still buy CDs, I'm such a loser

$6 CDs > $10 EDs


But it looks like eMusic is a pretty good service.

[theacoustician]

Wow... I guess I'm a criminal bastard since I don't pay for music if I can help it.
Yes, you're a bastard. I understand the "record companies are evil" thing, but at least buy the music directly from the artist then.

I'll let you in on a little not-so-secret secret. Big media companies *cough* have entire departments that do nothing but data mine. One of the big things I saw was data mining on piracy. They not only tracked piracy through file sharing networks, but scanning things like oh ... forums. The department uses this info to find trends. They present the idea to upper management to sell them on the idea that piracy is rampant and that they need to invest in bigger, badder DRM. DMCA, AACS, Trusted-Path(TM), BD+, and Digital Transition Content Security Act of 2005 (aka Analog Hole bill) are all the result of your piracy. There are some other things in the pipe to make it even more limiting. So remember this in the future: They learned it by watching you.

[theacoustician]

theac, have you heard the new strokes album yet?

I've been lovin' it for a couple weeks or so now
Pandora pre-ordered the deluxe edition for me for Xmas. I've had it since release.

[elpmis]

Pandora pre-ordered the deluxe edition for me for Xmas. I've had it since release.
Track 4, Razorblade, yeah, nuff said

[elpmis]

Yes, you're a bastard. I understand the "record companies are evil" thing, but at least buy the music directly from the artist then.

I'll let you in on a little not-so-secret secret. Big media companies *cough* have entire departments that do nothing but data mine. One of the big things I saw was data mining on piracy. They not only tracked piracy through file sharing networks, but scanning things like oh ... forums. The department uses this info to find trends. They present the idea to upper management to sell them on the idea that piracy is rampant and that they need to invest in bigger, badder DRM. DMCA, AACS, Trusted-Path(TM), BD+, and Digital Transition Content Security Act of 2005 (aka Analog Hole bill) are all the result of your piracy. There are some other things in the pipe to make it even more limiting. So remember this in the future: They learned it by watching you.
I agree

[JPatrick]

Im totally in on this.

[itburnswhenipee]

Yes, you're a bastard. I understand the "record companies are evil" thing, but at least buy the music directly from the artist then.

I'll let you in on a little not-so-secret secret. Big media companies *cough* have entire departments that do nothing but data mine. One of the big things I saw was data mining on piracy. They not only tracked piracy through file sharing networks, but scanning things like oh ... forums. The department uses this info to find trends. They present the idea to upper management to sell them on the idea that piracy is rampant and that they need to invest in bigger, badder DRM. DMCA, AACS, Trusted-Path(TM), BD+, and Digital Transition Content Security Act of 2005 (aka Analog Hole bill) are all the result of your piracy. There are some other things in the pipe to make it even more limiting. So remember this in the future: They learned it by watching you.

<shrugs>

If major media corporations are worried about a handful of geeks they're focusing their attention in the wrong place. I thought the real losses to piracy were in foreign countries where major businesses and even government agencies ignore, or don't have, any intellectual property laws.

[KNYTE]

<shrugs>

If major media corporations are worried about a handful of geeks they're focusing their attention in the wrong place. I thought the real losses to piracy were in foreign countries where major businesses and even government agencies ignore, or don't have, any intellectual property laws.

As did I.

Plus, when I stop seeing rappers running around with $100,000 watches, chains, and driving Ferraris, I'll start caring about the music industry not making enough money.

[zengirl]

<shrugs>

If major media corporations are worried about a handful of geeks they're focusing their attention in the wrong place. I thought the real losses to piracy were in foreign countries where major businesses and even government agencies ignore, or don't have, any intellectual property laws.
I was listening to the news on the way to school yesterday and heard a blurb about the music industry and recent polls... the polls showed that 92% of individuals aged 18-35 (the main music demographic) still bought their music... so industry allegations that music piracy was hurting profits came into question. Upon further probing, something like 50% said the cost of CD's were too high and prevented them from buying MORE CDs, and 70% said that today's music was just downright BAD. :fly:

That part cracked me up because I have to agree... the music industry is so up in arms about piracy depleting their profits when nobody's buyin their stuff because it all sucks in the first place.

:lol:

[Fat Burger]

<shrugs>

If major media corporations are worried about a handful of geeks they're focusing their attention in the wrong place. I thought the real losses to piracy were in foreign countries where major businesses and even government agencies ignore, or don't have, any intellectual property laws.

Over a year ago BitTorrent was reported to be 35% of all internet traffic. That's including the ungodly amount of spam, and remember that's only one version of peer-to-peer. BitTorrent is about 53% of all P2P. That means that two-thirds of all traffic on the internet is P2P. Obviously there's no way to accurately estimate how much of that is illegal, but it proves that it's more than a "handful of geeks".

EDIT:
And how the hell are the RIAA and MPAA supposed to come after the Taiwanese government?

[KNYTE]

I was listening to the news on the way to school yesterday and heard a blurb about the music industry and recent polls... the polls showed that 92% of individuals aged 18-35 (the main music demographic) still bought their music... so industry allegations that music piracy was hurting profits came into question. Upon further probing, something like 50% said the cost of CD's were too high and prevented them from buying MORE CDs, and 70% said that today's music was just downright BAD. :fly:

That part cracked me up because I have to agree... the music industry is so up in arms about piracy depleting their profits when nobody's buyin their stuff because it all sucks in the first place.

:lol:

This isn't a new thing. Most CD's have the one "hit song" that you're interested in and everything else on it is worthless crap, it's been this way for a decade at least.

[Fat Burger]

Upon further probing, something like 50% said the cost of CD's were too high...

I could not agree more. DVDs and CDs are the same price, and DVDs offer so much more. Granted, the studio recoups the cost of making a movie in the theater, so DVD sales are just extra. But still...
I always said if CDs were $5-8, then I'd buy a lot more. Then I found YourMusic.com :D

[itburnswhenipee]

Over a year ago BitTorrent was reported to be 35% of all internet traffic. That's including the ungodly amount of spam, and remember that's only one version of peer-to-peer. BitTorrent is about 53% of all P2P. That means that two-thirds of all traffic on the internet is P2P. Obviously there's no way to accurately estimate how much of that is illegal, but it proves that it's more than a "handful of geeks".

EDIT:
And how the hell are the RIAA and MPAA supposed to come after the Taiwanese government?

Just because file-sharing is supposedly 53% of all net traffic does not mean that an equally large share of internet users are generating that traffic. After all, checking your mail on Yahoo isn't exactly bandwidth intensive. More importantly, file sharing is nothing when compared to the almost institutional piracy of all kinds of media which takes place outside the western world-- and that's actual piracy with someone selling their copies of media for actual money.

[zengirl]

This isn't a new thing. Most CD's have the one "hit song" that you're interested in and everything else on it is worthless crap, it's been this way for a decade at least.
I agree. It seems that nowadays the only CD's I'm interested in buying are the kind that are advertised in those late hours of television when anyone in their right mind would be asleep... like that new Monster Ballad CD for 26.99 plus S&H

:shifty:

[Thorn Bird]

I agree. It seems that nowadays the only CD's I'm interested in buying are the kind that are advertised in those late hours of television when anyone in their right mind would be asleep... like that new Monster Ballad CD for 26.99 plus S&H

:shifty:


watch. my. toes.

i ALREADY HAVE the monster ballads cd! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[zengirl]

watch. my. toes.

i ALREADY HAVE the monster ballads cd! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's true what they say... life is comprised of the "haves" and the "have nots"

:(

;)

:p

[theacoustician]

<shrugs>

If major media corporations are worried about a handful of geeks they're focusing their attention in the wrong place. I thought the real losses to piracy were in foreign countries where major businesses and even government agencies ignore, or don't have, any intellectual property laws.
I understand why it doesn't seem that way, but according to what I've seen
1. Piracy in other less strict countries isn't really isn't what they freak out about. Well, they do worry, but those countries were never in the revenue stream. What they are finding is that its cutting into current revenue. That's a problem, big time, to them.

2. It isn't a handful of geeks bucking the system. The numbers of people that engage in what they call "casual piracy" is staggering.

[zengirl]

I understand why it doesn't seem that way, but according to what I've seen
1. Piracy in other less strict countries isn't really isn't what they freak out about. Well, they do worry, but those countries were never in the revenue stream. What they are finding is that its cutting into current revenue. That's a problem, big time, to them.

2. It isn't a handful of geeks bucking the system. The numbers of people that engage in what they call "casual piracy" is staggering.
Well I guess this begs the question of whether or not the casual pirates would buy the stuff otherwise. I mean I'll take free stuff, almost anything, but when it comes to spending my money I'm going to be a lot more picky, so is the staggering numbers of causal pirates really indicitive of lost revenue?

[itburnswhenipee]

Well I guess this begs the question of whether or not the casual pirates would buy the stuff otherwise. I mean I'll take free stuff, almost anything, but when it comes to spending my money I'm going to be a lot more picky, so is the staggering numbers of causal pirates really indicitive of lost revenue?

Lady, you took the words out of my mouth.

[Fat Burger]

Just because file-sharing is supposedly 53% of all net traffic does not mean that an equally large share of internet users are generating that traffic. After all, checking your mail on Yahoo isn't exactly bandwidth intensive. More importantly, file sharing is nothing when compared to the almost institutional piracy of all kinds of media which takes place outside the western world-- and that's actual piracy with someone selling their copies of media for actual money.

Ok, so it's only a million people stealing 100 CDs each, instead of 10 million people stealing 10 CDs each. Just means that it's easier to prosecute.

[Fat Burger]

Well I guess this begs the question of whether or not the casual pirates would buy the stuff otherwise. I mean I'll take free stuff, almost anything, but when it comes to spending my money I'm going to be a lot more picky, so is the staggering numbers of causal pirates really indicitive of lost revenue?

And that's exactly where I think the record companies are losing the picture. I buy far more CDs now than I ever did, and know about a lot more smaller artists. There was actually a really good article in Air Canada's October in-flight magazine about this. The writer basically summed it up by saying he'd rather 100 artists have a job in making music than 1 artist become filthy rich, and that's sort of what's happening.

[Fat Burger]

Speaking of sharing your IP, the article (and it looks like all the articles in their magazines) is available online:
http://www.enroutemag.com/e/october05/technology.html

[theacoustician]

Well I guess this begs the question of whether or not the casual pirates would buy the stuff otherwise. I mean I'll take free stuff, almost anything, but when it comes to spending my money I'm going to be a lot more picky, so is the staggering numbers of causal pirates really indicitive of lost revenue?
It doesn't matter if it is or not. That's the way its being sold to senior execs. They see the sales figures, the p2p traffic, and the trends extrapolated through data mining. They are being presented with facts that show that their $ is down and that the attitude is "stealing is cool". Doesn't matter if these facts are being presented correctly or not, its what they're buying into. As a result, were about to experience a whole new wave of copy protection that's going to rub people the wrong way. What's worse is that with shit like Trusted Path, without some serious elec. eng. skills, you aren't going to be able to get around it. With BD+, its constantly being upgraded and changed. Hacking really isn't even going to be an option. Right or wrong, the culture of downloading is leading to business decisions that are only going to lead to less options and hurt consumers.

[KNYTE]

It doesn't matter if it is or not. That's the way its being sold to senior execs. They see the sales figures, the p2p traffic, and the trends extrapolated through data mining. They are being presented with facts that show that their $ is down and that the attitude is "stealing is cool". Doesn't matter if these facts are being presented correctly or not, its what they're buying into. As a result, were about to experience a whole new wave of copy protection that's going to rub people the wrong way. What's worse is that with shit like Trusted Path, without some serious elec. eng. skills, you aren't going to be able to get around it. With BD+, its constantly being upgraded and changed. Hacking really isn't even going to be an option. Right or wrong, the culture of downloading is leading to business decisions that are only going to lead to less options and hurt consumers.

Or they could lower their astronomical prices, make better product, and try to avoid showing certain musicians bathing in diamonds and driving gold-plated cars. It's hard for consumers to feel like their screwing anyone out of money when the only faces they see from the music industry are all living in mansions.

Taking obscene measures towards anti-piracy won't help the RIAA (or the MPAA for that matter), they need to change their business habits to compete in the changing world. Ford isn't combating their loss of sales by equiping every car they make with a low-jack, they're trying to find ways to better please the consumers and make them actually want their product.

Putting out 4 different albums of "50 Cent does Christmas Carols Yo" does not move towards that goal.

[Sarcasmo]

lol music

[theacoustician]

Or they could lower their astronomical prices, make better product, and try to avoid showing certain musicians bathing in diamonds and driving gold-plated cars. It's hard for consumers to feel like their screwing anyone out of money when the only faces they see from the music industry are all living in mansions.

Taking obscene measures towards anti-piracy won't help the RIAA (or the MPAA for that matter), they need to change their business habits to compete in the changing world. Ford isn't combating their loss of sales by equiping every car they make with a low-jack, they're trying to find ways to better please the consumers and make them actually want their product.

Putting out 4 different albums of "50 Cent does Christmas Carols Yo" does not move towards that goal.
Dude, this is the problem. Consumers and content providers aren't speaking the same language. I'm not trying to argue for them, I'm telling you how they think and how they see the situation. Since they are friends with the electronics manufacturers, or in cases like Sony are the content and electronics manufactures, they are both on the same page. Why do they put out "crap"? Because it makes money and is low risk. Why all the DRM? Because it helps them make money.

People need to start thinking like the machine in order to change it. iTunes showed online music sales could be viable. If everyone got behind something that was DRM free and helped it make a lot of money, the machine will change to fit the model. Vote will your wallet. Not buying something is equivilant to not voting. Stealing just proves their case and makes them feel righteous in what they're doing. Find a business model you like and put your money there. The machine will notice.

[Sarcasmo]

All I want is a CD that doesn't scratch when air molecules blow against it. I would be happy with that.

Since no one can figure out how to produce simple scratch proof surfaces for CDs yet, they are basically screwing themselves. No one wants to buy 2 or 3 CDs of the same album, or ridiculous hand-cranked appliances reputed to grind away damaged surfaces.

And no, the average consumer does not go home from the music store and burn copies and store their "masters".

[theacoustician]

All I want is a CD that doesn't scratch when air molecules blow against it. I would be happy with that.

Since no one can figure out how to produce simple scratch proof surfaces for CDs yet, they are basically screwing themselves. No one wants to buy 2 or 3 CDs of the same album, or ridiculous hand-cranked appliances reputed to grind away damaged surfaces.

And no, the average consumer does not go home from the music store and burn copies and store their "masters".
It already exists. TDK's DURABIS 2. You could rub steel wool on a disc and its still readable.

[Fat Burger]

People need to start thinking like the machine in order to change it. iTunes showed online music sales could be viable. If everyone got behind something that was DRM free and helped it make a lot of money, the machine will change to fit the model. Vote will your wallet. Not buying something is equivilant to not voting. Stealing just proves their case and makes them feel righteous in what they're doing. Find a business model you like and put your money there. The machine will notice.

Very well said :clap:

And no, the average consumer does not go home from the music store and burn copies and store their "masters".

I essentially do. I never listen to real CDs anymore.

[Ryokurin]

Over a year ago BitTorrent was reported to be 35% of all internet traffic. That's including the ungodly amount of spam, and remember that's only one version of peer-to-peer. BitTorrent is about 53% of all P2P. That means that two-thirds of all traffic on the internet is P2P. Obviously there's no way to accurately estimate how much of that is illegal, but it proves that it's more than a "handful of geeks".

EDIT:
And how the hell are the RIAA and MPAA supposed to come after the Taiwanese government?


They are taking care of that as well. Pretty much all of the larger ISPs are now considering creating tiers of service. Basically they plan on making you pay for your bandwidth if you are a power user. Sadly this all started from a wrong quote but now everyone is considering it a good idea.

Originally an Bellsouth exec stated that it was working on technology where you could pay for a bandwidth boost on demand. An example is that your connection is usually 500k, you can pay 2 dollars for a 10m shot for two hours if you wish. Once it finally circulated online it got changed to they want to charge power users more. Now Comcast, Verizon, Telus, and ATT have all admitted or voiced opinions that they reserve the majority of bandwidth for their programs and if other companies want to take advantage then they should pay for it. In other words if netflix decides to do video on demand then they should pay comcast money for using all that bandwidth on their network. I can easily see this as sticking this to BT users. "the average user uploads 200m of info a month, and you did 3 gigs in 4 days, so you owe us an additional 10 dollars for the stress you caused on our network"

[KNYTE]

Dude, this is the problem. Consumers and content providers aren't speaking the same language. I'm not trying to argue for them, I'm telling you how they think and how they see the situation. Since they are friends with the electronics manufacturers, or in cases like Sony are the content and electronics manufactures, they are both on the same page. Why do they put out "crap"? Because it makes money and is low risk. Why all the DRM? Because it helps them make money.

People need to start thinking like the machine in order to change it. iTunes showed online music sales could be viable. If everyone got behind something that was DRM free and helped it make a lot of money, the machine will change to fit the model. Vote will your wallet. Not buying something is equivilant to not voting. Stealing just proves their case and makes them feel righteous in what they're doing. Find a business model you like and put your money there. The machine will notice.

Voting....my arch nemesis. You're just mad because I continually refer to politicians as "the blood sucking zombie horde", aren't you? :fly:

I haven't purchased a "real" CD in over a decade, and I don't plan to start it back up anytime soon. And why don't I do that? Because everytime I buy a CD it's got one or two songs that are worthwile, and an hour of crap I don't want to listen to which was stuck on there just so the CD wouldn't be called a "single" and they could charge me $16 for it. It was this way long before Napster, it's this way today, and it will be this way tomorrow.

I pay $10 a month for Rhapsody account that I use at work to listen to music and I'm already getting bored with it, WHY? Because none of the cry-baby recording labels, artists, and managers can agree to use one brand or standard, so the selection is only limited to whomever Real can sign to work with their product/service, so there is constantly missing content (or content that I have to pay even more to listen to, or GOD FORBID, burn to a CD to take in my car). It's the same way with iTunes, Burn Lounge, and every other pay-to-play service out there.

Trying to appease the DRM gods by further buying their products will not convince them to reduce piracy measures, it will more than likely do the opposite, and at the very least make them leave the piracy measures where they're currently at. If everyone started buying CD's and not "stealing" them the execs would think "Oh wow, our initiative to curb downloading worked, we sure screwed those suckas. Hey 50 Cent, crank out another 125 minute album of you talking about pussy so we can charge $35 bucks for it, we know those idiots will pay for it because they have no alternative anymore."

[Sarcasmo]

It already exists. TDK's DURABIS 2. You could rub steel wool on a disc and its still readable.

And is that what the music industry uses as their standard now? No, because I bought one the other day that scratched when it brushed against my fucking car seat. I about threw it out the damn window.

[Sarcasmo]

I essentially do. I never listen to real CDs anymore.


Me too, for the most part, unless I forget. But I don't think the average consumer is used to bathing in computer technology yet.

[JPatrick]

d surfaces.

And no, the average consumer does not go home from the music store and burn copies and store their "masters".



Every cd I buy I rip straight to mp3 then put my original away.

[Sarcasmo]

Every cd I buy I rip straight to mp3 then put my original away.


Quit trying to be cool, old man.

[JPatrick]

Quit trying to be cool, old man.


Eat my cockel spat, fgt.

[theacoustician]

stuffFine. Do whatever. As I stated before, I'm not defending it, I'm telling you how the machine works. Acting like an angsty teenage about it and rebelling against it won't change a thing.

[theacoustician]

Every cd I buy I rip straight to mp3 then put my original away.
I do the same now too.

[Ryokurin]

Dude, this is the problem. Consumers and content providers aren't speaking the same language. I'm not trying to argue for them, I'm telling you how they think and how they see the situation. Since they are friends with the electronics manufacturers, or in cases like Sony are the content and electronics manufactures, they are both on the same page. Why do they put out "crap"? Because it makes money and is low risk. Why all the DRM? Because it helps them make money.

People need to start thinking like the machine in order to change it. iTunes showed online music sales could be viable. If everyone got behind something that was DRM free and helped it make a lot of money, the machine will change to fit the model. Vote will your wallet. Not buying something is equivilant to not voting. Stealing just proves their case and makes them feel righteous in what they're doing. Find a business model you like and put your money there. The machine will notice.


First we need more people buying on line. That survey that stated that music cost too much and most people didnt buy because the music was bad also stated that only 15% of them ever purchased a song online. The RIAA is not going to take that you are doing without so they are assuming that you are stealing it when in reality people still have issues with spending money on line, or at least downloading it as they are still on dialup.

The media companies are afraid of every form of digital media. If you are not buying you are downloading, if thats not proven then you are recording from the radio or tv. if they can't stop that then they are at least going to limit it. They are even afraid of enthusiasts and are taking steps to eliminate them as well. Its going to be straight up hell when it comes to media after this year.

[JPatrick]

I was considering itunes for a while, so I could download my songs one at a time, burn them to a cd, the rip to mp3, but I dunno if that would work, plus I couldnt find their catalog without installing the ghey softwares:rolleyes:

[KNYTE]

Plus, I'd like to see a study on the rampaging piracy of music (that was conducted by someone other than the music industry) to find out exactly how many jobs have been lost as result of this horrendous attack on the industries earnings. I don't see Virgin records on the front of CNN citing piracy as the reason to lay off 5,000 employees. The people at the helm of this DRM intiative are not starving by any means, nor do they need to be making $300MM per year for the amount of not-work they're doing.

IF SOMEONE FROM THE RIAA EVER READS THIS:

S-C-R-E-W Y-O-U

Fine. Do whatever. As I stated before, I'm not defending it, I'm telling you how the machine works. Acting like an angsty teenage about it and rebelling against it won't change a thing.

Oh man, you nailed me with that one. I said I pay for a Rhapsody account, and even that is getting tired. Nowhere here did I say that I've downloaded any music illegally, which in all honesty I have not done in over a year. Software on the other hand.... :shifty:

And seriously theac, everytime you get into a debate you personally attack, I'm beginning to think that's your only method of arguement. You're smart, probably even smarter than me, calling me names doesn't help your case, it just makes me want to piss you off that much more.

[theacoustician]

If you are not buying you are downloading, if thats not proven then you are recording from the radio or tv. if they can't stop that then they are at least going to limit it.
Digital Transition Content Security Act of 2005. Read it. They aren't limiting it, they're eliminating it.

[zengirl]

Hacking really isn't even going to be an option. .
Maybe I've watched too much XFiles and the LoneGunmen have influenced me, but I have a hard time believing that there is any protection technology which can't be breached. As long as computers and technology is created by man, it can still be hacked by geeks.

[theacoustician]

Plus, I'd like to see a study on the rampaging piracy of music (that was conducted by someone other than the music industry) to find out exactly how many jobs have been lost as result of this horrendous attack on the industries earnings. I don't see Virgin records on the front of CNN citing piracy as the reason to lay off 5,000 employees. The people at the helm of this DRM intiative are not starving by any means, nor do they need to be making $300MM per year for the amount of not-work they're doing.

IF SOMEONE FROM THE RIAA EVER READS THIS:

S-C-R-E-W Y-O-U
Your well worded and thoughtful analysis, backed with facts and examples I'm sure will sway them.

[theacoustician]

Maybe I've watched too much XFiles and the LoneGunmen have influenced me, but I have a hard time believing that there is any protection technology which can't be breached. As long as computers and technology is created by man, it can still be hacked by geeks.
It'll still be possible, it will just be so difficult and expensive to bypass, that it won't be worth it. I mean it when I say that the only way to beat Trusted Path is with a soldering iron and a detailed understanding of electrical engineering. There isn't going to be a single modchip or software patch to get around it, because its built into every layer of the OSI model.

[Sarcasmo]

Digital Transition Content Security Act of 2005. Read it. They aren't limiting it, they're eliminating it.


Eventually people will have no need for corporate entertainment. Record companies, cable companies, no one will care. We'll see how they feel then. In the meantime, plug those holes. Piss off those customers. Annoy the shit out of the entire world in order to protect that substandard, generic content.

[theacoustician]

Eventually people will have no need for corporate entertainment. Record companies, cable companies, no one will care. We'll see how they feel then. In the meantime, plug those holes. Piss off those customers. Annoy the shit out of the entire world in order to protect that substandard, generic content.
For every one of you, there's 1000 brain dead suburbanites that'll look onto the next wave of electronics with lust and envy.

THINK LIKE THE MACHINE IN ORDER TO BEAT IT.

[Sarcasmo]

THINK LIKE THE MACHINE IN ORDER TO BEAT IT.

You mean like R2 D2 or something?

[Ryokurin]

Digital Transition Content Security Act of 2005. Read it. They aren't limiting it, they're eliminating it.


They made a few small changes I read recently. they will allow DVRs to exist but they have to be certified, cannot record an entire show (if its a 2hr movie the first 30 minutes will be deleted) cannot archive past a certain date and cannot record content that has been flagged. Im also sure you have heard that cablecard devices for the PC wont happen unless the entire system has been certified by cablelabs and how Microsoft has admitted the price of admission for their DRM is to limit the amount of people they will have to deal with and enthusiasts as well...

[zengirl]

It'll still be possible, it will just be so difficult and expensive to bypass, that it won't be worth it. I mean it when I say that the only way to beat Trusted Path is with a soldering iron and a detailed understanding of electrical engineering. There isn't going to be a single modchip or software patch to get around it, because its built into every layer of the OSI model.
I'm sure you're right. I find myself having a philosophical moment of crisis at the moment. The lengths with which men will go to capitalize on art is really amazing. There just seems to be an underlying sense of control, conformity and Big Brother here, I'm always going to root for the hackers. :fly:

And all over money... actually over MORE money.

[zengirl]

For every one of you, there's 1000 brain dead suburbanites that'll look onto the next wave of electronics with lust and envy.

THINK LIKE THE MACHINE IN ORDER TO BEAT IT.
Oh, so Ryan got *ahem* ahold *ahem* of a program which allows him to program the aibo... so now we've got a program to run on the aibo which makes him do the robot...

[zengirl]

They made a few small changes I read recently. they will allow DVRs to exist but they have to be certified, cannot record an entire show (if its a 2hr movie the first 30 minutes will be deleted) cannot archive past a certain date and cannot record content that has been flagged. Im also sure you have heard that cablecard devices for the PC wont happen unless the entire system has been certified by cablelabs and how Microsoft has admitted the price of admission for their DRM is to limit the amount of people they will have to deal with and enthusiasts as well...
Wow, I remember when VHS first came out, and we realized that if you had 2 VCRs you could make tapes of tapes... it was thought that the cost of the VCRs was sufficient to be prohibitive of this sort of theft, but my aunt and uncle made tapes of every movie they ever rented.

:lol:

So, I think this thing you've just described is way over the top. I've been allowed to record from my television onto my VCR for more than 20 years and now, all of a sudden, I can't? That's a super smelly load of bullshit right there.

[Fat Burger]

"the average user uploads 200m of info a month, and you did 3 gigs in 4 days, so you owe us an additional 10 dollars for the stress you caused on our network"

Paying more for a higher connection speed should be the solution, though. If I pay for a 1.5Mbps connection and use it to 100% capacity all month, then that's my perogative. Otherwise they shouldn't be advertising an "always on, 1.5MBps", because that's not what they're giving us. If you want more bandwidth, then pay extra and get higher speeds too.

[theacoustician]

So, I think this thing you've just described is way over the top. I've been allowed to record from my television onto my VCR for more than 20 years and now, all of a sudden, I can't? That's a super smelly load of bullshit right there.
That's exactly right. I'm telling you, read it (http://static.publicknowledge.org/pdf/HR-4569-DTCSA-Analog-Hole.pdf) and understand it (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Transition_Content_Security_Act).